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    Mtn Climber~

    As sad as it is I don't understand why the family feels a 10million $$ law suit is in order,after all this thrill seeker made his own decision to climb that snowy mtn with friends,his climb ended after a 600ft fall down the slope head over heels and he survived for a few hours,family claims the rescue was to slow!?

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    Huh. Yeah doesn't make sense to me, based on what you wrote. There are a lot of things people do that have inherent danger at the root. People continue doing them for the thrills, nobody forces them to do it. Accidents happen and its part of the thrill, knowing in the back of your mind that if you mess up, it could have very bad consequences.

    So they win the lawsuit, it bankrupts the rescue company. Now the next time somebody falls off a mountain, the rescue company won't be late, because there won't be one.

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    Problem is they botched it up pretty good at the call center and that's going to likely give this lawsuit some legs. If this was any normal situation people would be calling for their heads but since it was mountain climbing it tends to get a pass. we'll see what the law says about it but they definitely screwed up to make this not a completely left field type of lawsuit.

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    More to the story...

    Maybe this is a bad analogy, but. Your swimming a pool and see some one who is face down in pool. You can't swim. You call 911. They ask if your at the pool then transfer you to the police department there you talk to someone that says find a lifeguard since your at a pool. You do, but in the mean time this person is still floating and not breathing. You find a life guard the call 911. They transfer them to police department. The life guard requests ambulance all while trying to get this guy breathing. Police department contacts an ambulance in a neighboring town to come get this guy.

    Time is extremely important in rescue scenarios. It took an extra hour and a half to get the rescue chopper in the air. Not saying this guy died because of this but he might have had a chance of survival.

    Here's the story. You decide...

    http://katu.com/news/local/family-of...for-10-million

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    Too many people don't feel they are responsible for their own actions anymore. Just want to sue and get rich quick.
    Just like the lawsuits against the drug companies for opiods. What the hell man nobody forced you to put the pills in your mouth. The Country is going to hell in a hand basket and going fast!
    Many have no common sense when using or doing things. Moderation is the key and only when you really need them.

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    why can't I get this to load?

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    What ever happened to you can't see yourself law?

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    Well, if something goes wrong with your adventure and you need the army national guard helicopter for rescue, what is a reasonable amount of time for response? There were trained mountain rescue people with the fallen adventure seeker, and trained medical personal as well. Its unfortunate for sure, but why only 10 million? Did the lawyer come up with that amount? And this is an example of why lots of people don't want to get involved in situations, trying to help can win you a lawsuit is short order.

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    Who pays the bill for the helicopter and rescue personal when you are out playing daredevil and something goes wrong?

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    I understand the anger part of the grieving process, but a lawsuit is not the answer. Everyone wants to be a victim and lay blame elsewhere.
    If my house burns down because (I think) it took the fire dept too long to get there, can I sue them?

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    I can't believe no one sees the side of the family. Yes it's a ridiculous amount of money. But no one will say this situation was poorly handled. I just hope of I am out doing something I enjoy (hunting the badlands in nd For example) and if I get hurt that our rescue teams here would do everything they could in the most swift manner they can. Doesn't sound like this guy was hanging of the side of a mountain. Sounds like he was climbing a well known area with a steep grade. All you guys who have hunted elk in the mountains must be adventure seekers and don't have the right to speedy rescue if something would go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obi-Wan View Post
    Who pays the bill for the helicopter and rescue personal when you are out playing daredevil and something goes wrong?
    I think for the most part, the taxpayers pay for rescue services, just like they do fire, police, etc.

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    I understand the anger part of the grieving process, but a lawsuit is not the answer. Everyone wants to be a victim and lay blame elsewhere.
    If my house burns down because (I think) it took the fire dept too long to get there, can I sue them?
    If your house burns down because of complete incompetence between several agencies resulting in them taking 3 hours to get there rather than 15 min you might have a case. you are paying for those services through taxes, there should be some reasonable expectation of services don't you think?

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    This law suit had better die a quick death. If the precedence is set that rescue personnel, first responders, and the like are NOW required to respond in a manner good enough for the victim or the victims family, we will be without those folks. Which then sets the stage for firefighters, police, EMT's, ambulance drivers, life flight pilots, and maybe even the Coast Guard to law suits if their response times, actions, or efforts aren't good enough for victims or their families. My deepest condolences to the family, but this man had an accident by his own design. It isn't anyone's fault but his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bfishn View Post
    If your house burns down because of complete incompetence between several agencies resulting in them taking 3 hours to get there rather than 15 min you might have a case. you are paying for those services through taxes, there should be some reasonable expectation of services don't you think?
    I guess the court will have to define what's "reasonable" here. I don't know... to me, since there is no explicit contact in place between a person and these civil services (fire, rescue, etc) the only thing that is "reasonable" is to hope for the best and have insurance.


    Also, in a slightly different thought direction, I would say that if I were able to sue for what I decide was "unreasonable" concerning the things my tax dollars go toward, I would have several cases pending right now...

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    IMO:

    if engaging in daredevil activities = we'll save you if and when we can

    no guarantees, daredevils assume all risk and rescuers (and their agencies) are given immunity from lawsuits

    kind of like the good Samaritan laws - no suing people trying to help after you rolled the dice and lost

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDM View Post
    This law suit had better die a quick death. If the precedence is set that rescue personnel, first responders, and the like are NOW required to respond in a manner good enough for the victim or the victims family, we will be without those folks. Which then sets the stage for firefighters, police, EMT's, ambulance drivers, life flight pilots, and maybe even the Coast Guard to law suits if their response times, actions, or efforts aren't good enough for victims or their families. My deepest condolences to the family, but this man had an accident by his own design. It isn't anyone's fault but his own.
    Indent entirely disagree with this but I also think all people who commit to protecting and serving in these capacities need to be held a countable. That is what the court system was set up for.

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    What happens if rescue personal gets hurt of killed while on a rescue mission should their family be able to sue the injured party or their estate?

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    This has a portion of the 911 calls the other link I was trying to post has more of the calls but does not want to load

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