Hunting 'Unposted' Private Land

[guywhofishes]

 

[Weaver]

You really are giving those vibes. Im really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt but you’re making it hard

I have no knowledge of the groups you speak of or what they do. Simply a landowner who wants the crap to stop. Every year it seems I have to deal with a wounded deer story and I have no recourse then to allow them to "hunt" my posted land. Statute says a landowner is supposed to have peaceful enjoyment of their property. Well I'm having little of that with yahoos exploiting the "permission law"

 

[bravo]

For the last time there’s already a law in place forbidding what they are doing. If there is no animal, they are trespassing and you need to report them. No loophole, nothing.

 

[Trip McNeely]

You came here thinking you’d find a forum that doesn’t turn into a dumpster fire? come on man… what are you 12?

 

[Trip McNeely]

I have no knowledge of the groups you speak of or what they do. Simply a landowner who wants the crap to stop. Every year it seems I have to deal with a wounded deer story and I have no recourse then to allow them to "hunt" my posted land. Statute says a landowner is supposed to have peaceful enjoyment of their property. Well I'm having little of that with yahoos exploiting the "permission law"

I have a suggestion that would work well. Find a couple of ethical good dudes or dudettes that you trust who enjoy hunting. Invite them out to hunt the days you can’t be around to help you look after the place. I can promise you those who are graciously invited to hunt someone’s land and have a relationship and respect for it will look after it better than if it were their own. It’s either that or start documenting who is doing it. If it’s a common occurrence where you are then it’s very likely a group or few vegabonds that need a correction anyhow. But changing a law because criminals wanna be criminals seems a bit on the overreactive side

 

[Weaver]

For the last time there’s already a law in place forbidding what they are doing. If there is no animal, they are trespassing and you need to report them. No loophole, nothing.

Your word against theirs and their simple statement “we are looking for a wounded deer “ gives them a pass. That’s the loophole
just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist

 

[Weaver]

You came here thinking you’d find a forum that doesn’t turn into a dumpster fire? come on man… what are you 12?

Age is irrelevant to argument. I came here looking for ideas and debate on the subject. I found that. You believe the government should have the authority to access, I believe the landowner should. We’ll leave it at that .

 

[Iwhackwheat]

Your word against theirs and their simple statement “we are looking for a wounded deer “ gives them a pass. That’s the loophole
just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist

So the Warden takes their side every time you call them?

 

[1lessdog]

Those were my thoughts. Ive never had to enter private land to retrieve a deer. From the direction this thread is going one of two things is happening here. 1) you are dealing with some nefarious and poor excuses for hunters who are overall shitty people or have an isolated area with a few bad actors that is not representative to the entire state. Or…..2) you are sent here to cause division and plant a seed for upcoming legislation by a group or faction pushing an agenda. Which in and of itself is quite nefarious. You keep calling hunters “a special interest group” Ive never once heard individuals who engage in hunting call themselves that, nor reference other hunters that way…. Something’s stinky over here…..

If people would quit arguing with him he would go away. He has a Scenario for everything brought up. Be smarter then the way your acting.

 

[Trip McNeely]

If people would quit arguing with him he would go away. He has a Scenario for everything brought up. Be smarter then the way your acting.

 

[bucksnbears]

Your wrong on all accounts. I am a landowner and a hunter. I just found this site yesterday and found this topic to be of interest to me so who cares how old the original post is if it’s of importance today? People wonder why habitat is decreasing in ND and I have many farmers friends who share the same feelings regarding the unconstitutional seizure of private property. It’s not just economics as to why habitat is disappearing, it’s the disrespectful behavior of those who exploit the law. If you owned land you would understand more clearly. If you are hunting yourself or have family or friends coming from afar it’s pretty frustrating to have groups circling your posted property and if given opportunity will shoot anything in range of the roadway and hence the creation of the famous “ wounded deer story” most farmers encounter. Because of the way the law is written you now have people being dropped at one end of a posted property without weapons while the rest of the party goes to the other side to see if anything is flushed out. When questioned it’s always the “ wounded deer story excuse” even though you watched the whole thing unfold. Tell me if you were the landowner you wouldn’t be pissed off at that. No land is unhuntable in ND with that wording. The only way frustrated farmers/ ranchers have to fight back is to make the habitat disappear so nothing is there to tempt them. So you don’t think ditches mowed to golf course height along posted land is just a coincidence? And food sources tilled under in fields next to roadways is just to catch snow? You have a lot to learn.
NDGF pleads with farmers/ ranchers to create more habitat but why would they if it brings nothing but added problems with unethical hunters, who disrespect landowners using a loophole in the system to hunt posted property
you’re also wrong about accusing me of looking for payment to access. I have a large group of pheasant hunters I invited to hunt my property every year and refuse any kind of payment they have offered. Never have/ never will charge for hunting to those who do it the right way .

So how do you feel about coyote hunters?

If a guy is driving down the road at daybreak in February and sees a coyote standing 100 yards off the road on your property, is he " ok" to shoot it?

Serious question.

 

[wslayer]

Your word against theirs and their simple statement “we are looking for a wounded deer “ gives them a pass. That’s the loophole
just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist

Offer to go out and help them. That will tell you if legit or not.
People these days very rarely answer their phones if numbers are not recognizable with all the telemarketing BS. Retrieval by permission has become almost impossible.
Have called a couple landowners for permission to hunt this year, haven't had a one of them answer the phone.

 

[wslayer]

All property owners around here that have posted property have them signed. Some even date them as I have in the past. I agree ,the ones who don't follow that requirement have themselves to blame if someone pushes the issue.

Nobody does a thing about it. Metal signs made up with a signature line that is just a waste of space.

 

[Twitch]

I think if you shoot a deer on land you have permission on and it runs across a fence you should let it rot and tear your tag up and throw it away. Coyotes and magpies gotta eat.

 

[Allen]

I already gave illustrative content to how those with criminal intent enter ( without weapons) to flush wildlife to waiting party members , or to simply flush out so they can hunt them elsewhere. With the guise of State permission it's non negotiable to the landowners as you simply have to take their word they are pursuing a wounded animal. With landowner permission only that card is out of play.

Look, your illustrative example is something the vast majority of us just aren't buying. The reality is you want a straight-up "all land is posted" law. You know what...I sure hope this website will never be a sympathetic ear for that kind of stuff.

 

[PrairieGhost]

Thanks for your response but yes I do know of farmers taking habitat out because they are sick and tired of every year having to put with the wounded deer stories. So they reduce habitat to reduce the amount of temptation. Not all want to , I know a guy( hunter also)who bought 300 acres just to develop habitat for wildlife. He said I want to create this incubator so the surplus animals can go outside to neighbors and surrounding area where they can hunt them. What happened instead was they crashed his incubator ( sanctuary) and killed the brood stock. He had 4 wounded deer stories the second year of efforts alone . now it's a wheat field and a grazed to dirt cow pasture .
You believe some SD landowners mow their ditches to golf course height just for the economics? Go ask a few of them.

I'm disappointed with that story weaver. It sounds like spite. Much like Biden sending long range weapons to the Ukrain and perhaps sparking WWIII. I sympathize with your problem, but am so disappointed with your response. It's close to you and the bad hunters deserve each other. Perhaps you shoukd get together and duke it out in the ring and leave everyone out of it.

 

[Weaver]

Why are you so insistent the government has to have control over private property access? From feedback here I gather it’s an extremely rare occurrence for an animal to go from huntable to posted. It’s known the majority of landowners will allow retrieval when asked. You want to keep the law as is because of the 1 in a 1000 AH landowner who won’t? Deny the constitutional rights of property owners to control their own lands?
To help stop the abuse of a well intended law with hunters using eg. pseudo wounded deer stories, or shooting over posted fenced property under the guise of a legal position?

 

[Weaver]

Look, your illustrative example is something the vast majority of us just aren't buying. The reality is you want a straight-up "all land is posted" law. You know what...I sure hope this website will never be a sympathetic ear for that kind of stuff.

Wrong. Leave each parcel up to the landowner. Each to his own

 

[bravo]

How about no simply because a grumpy landowner could say no to a perfectly law abiding hunter. And your law would take the right from the hunter to retrieve his game and give control to the government via punitive action.

I know this won’t sink in and your scenario is probably 100% made up, I just want other readers to see how the type of landowner [whiny, vindictive] who pushes legislation against hunters plays mental gymnastics. If it’s such a real problem, man up and confront this band of trespassing bandits, and call the sheriff.

 

[lunkerslayer]

If landowners aren't happy with hunters retrieving wounded game on private land, post it with a no trespassing without permission signs. If you're worried about giving out your personal number buy a disposable phone to list so hunters can call that number to retrieve the game. It's really a matter of common sense, coming here and posting your frustration on an outdoor site isn't a good solution.