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      I'm sorry that happened to your friends/family, but that kind of stuff happens everywhere. Not defending it! Just saying, it does.

      My grandparents lived in northern Minnesota's iron range and I can NOT tell you how much land I walked on for grouse that was littered with dumped shit. And not just empty beer cans. I'm talking mattresses, old kitchen appliances, bags of clothes, heaps of trash, etc. Even though there was an open garbage dump to use, some people are slobs. And Minnesota trespass and dumping laws aren't anything to sniff at. Yet, it still happens.

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      Quote Originally Posted by eyexer View Post
      Ten minutes on the phone would probably find out who did that. But yea no law would stop that. Landowners know that and this was never about that. It was about not wanting to hang signs. They have a lot of people fooled

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      If this was put in place for the 80’s farm crisis then it’s high time it goes bye bye. Holy shit talk about retarded.
      Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the rural counties having trouble funding their schools and other basic needs?

      Again correct me if I am wrong in my understanding of this but if there are 11,576 claiming farm home property tax exemption and lets say an average of $ 1,500.00 / home wouldn't that be $ 17,364,000.00 in the state & counties coffers.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Obi-Wan View Post
      Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the rural counties having trouble funding their schools and other basic needs?

      Again correct me if I am wrong in my understanding of this but if there are 11,576 claiming farm home property tax exemption and lets say an average of $ 1,500.00 / home wouldn't that be $ 17,364,000.00 in the state & counties coffers.
      That figure is low. Barns, shops, grain systems, etc. added in would be huge.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Obi-Wan View Post
      Correct me if I am wrong but aren't the rural counties having trouble funding their schools and other basic needs?

      Again correct me if I am wrong in my understanding of this but if there are 11,576 claiming farm home property tax exemption and lets say an average of $ 1,500.00 / home wouldn't that be $ 17,364,000.00 in the state & counties coffers.
      exactly. and they wonder why we can't keep up with education needs. why the hell this is still happening is insane

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      That figure is low. Barns, shops, grain systems, etc. added in would be huge.
      speaking of those buildings, they are exempt from needing building permits too. My damn permit for my last home was $1800. Could you imagine the permit fees they could collect on all those big ass shops. They don't need permits on their homes either if they're built on ag zoned dirt. An absolute gravy train it is. And it's not right.

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      Funny that golden egg says free market. Kind of ironic. Agriculture is more socialistic. Maybe it has to be to survive, but don't crap on the taxpayer who is also a consumer. It isn't good that we pay taxes to support the products they export. Russia isn't our friend, but for years we have exported grain. China isn't our friend, but for years we have exported at products. The problem is every taxpaying American through ag support also subsidize those who would destroy us.
      I have mixed feelings about at support. When things are quiet and I don't see bills like the last trespass bill I feel good about supporting ag. When everything gets posted and I see bills that lets ag crap on fellow North Dakotans I don't feel good about it at all. Since zogman thinks I don't like ranchers let me explain that. It's ironic that farmers in the eastern lpart of the state support ranching, then hear a rancher complain about all the breaks farmers get and they don't get anything. The truth is they get just as much, and if they have grazing rights on multiple sections they are getting more than a farmer in eastern North Dakota. That applies not only to ag. It gives me a huge pain when someone driving a Mercedes thinks the guy driving a Ford is getting more. I just don't like those attitudes from anyone. We talk about ag only because they were the latest ingrates to try dump on us.

      Sorry about the darn auto correct on my phone.

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      Ag is no longer the golden egg they think it is

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      ND private lands remain open to hunters unless posted

















      The burden of keeping trespassers off of N.D. private lands remains up to landowners following the end of the 2019 N.D. legislative session.
      Currently, the public may not enter lands that are marked with “No Trespassing” signs. If private lands don’t have signs, the public can enter without asking for permission. That worries private landowners who often welcome hunters and others but want to know who is on their land. There is a fear that someone will get hurt, that damage could be done, or that it would be easier for trespassers to get away with illegal actions. Landowners are also concerned about “game cameras” being hidden and used on private lands.
      Senate Bill 2315 would have required individuals to ask for permission before entering someone else’s private lands. The bill ended up not passing in the House on the final day of the 66th Legislative Assembly with 44 yeas and 48 nays.

      “Unfortunately, there is no immediate relief for landowners,” said Julie Ellingson, N.D. Stockmen’s Association executive vice president. “This has been a disappointing loss, and a discussion that’s not only consumed thousands of hours over the last two years, but over decades, as a conversation that has been going on in our state for a long time.”
      N.D. Farmers Union also expressed concern that the bill did not pass, said Kayla Pulvermacher, N.D. Farmers Union Director of Legislative and Member Advocacy.
      Ag groups wanted to change the law so all land would be presumed closed without permission, but agreed to a compromise in an effort to get some relief for landowners.
      Among the versions considered over the 76-day session was one that called on the state to develop and operate an electronic database listing private areas open or closed for hunting. If that bill had passed, the electronic listing would have been another mechanism for landowners to post their land.
      “Farmers want to have the conversation and feel the respect that comes along with having a conversation where hunters talk to them, and ask if they can hunt on their land,” Pulvermacher said.
      Ag groups were pleased that a bill (House Bill 1021) passed that requires legislative management to study “access to public and private lands for hunting, trapping, fishing, and related issues, including trespass violations and penalties.”
      The study committee, comprised of legislators, landowners, sportsmen and non-voting representatives of the ag department, Game and Fish Department, Association of Counties and Information Technology Department, will make recommendations to the 67th legislative assembly in 2021.
      In addition, before Aug. 1, 2020, the N.D. Information Technology Department and the Game and Fish Department will establish an electronic posting and hunter access information system in up to three counties.
      Another passed bill, House Bill 1503, makes it illegal to use game cameras on someone else’s land. Written permission is needed, and the camera needs a tag indicating the owner’s name, address and phone number. This is another bill that was initiated by the Stockmen’s Association.
      “It is very concerning when landowners come to their private property and find these game cameras that don’t belong to them, and they don’t know to whom they do,” said Ellingson.
      Other ag-related N.D. passed bills

      - North Dakota passed a resolution urging the U.S. Congress to amend federal laws to allow for standards and criteria that differentiate food products derived from animal products from those derived from lab-produced cell-cultured meat products.
      - The farm residence property tax exemption was amended to include operations in which 66 percent or more of the annual gross income comes from farming activities, including gross income of a spouse if married, during the two preceding calendar years. Previously, the tax exemption was unavailable if off-farm income totaled more than $40,000. The new definition of “farmer” mirrors that used by the Internal Revenue Service.
      - Beginning Aug. 1, freeze brands, as well as hot brands, are acceptable legal ID options for cattle in North Dakota.
      - Senate Bill 2344 was amended to protect the economic well-being of people engaged in agriculture production, while preserving and facilitating exploration of subsurface pore space with an approved agreement, an oil and gas lease, or as otherwise permitted by law. Pore space is defined as, “a cavity or void, naturally or artificially created, in a subsurface sedimentary stratum.” North Dakota Farmers Union believes this bill hinders landowners’ rights, and that they should be compensated for the use of land.
      - The N.D. Legislature agreed to provide up to $20 million in cash and $20 million in bonding to support the development of the Agricultural Products Development Center. The one time funding is for constructing a products development center. This includes an updated meats lab as well as an updated cereals lab for the NDSU campus in Fargo.
      - A passed bill, Senate Bill 2345, relates to animal feeding operations and zoning regulations and defines an animal feeding operation as a lot or facility, other than normal wintering operations for cattle and aquatic animal production. This bill hopes to create clarity for livestock producers, political subdivisions and state regulators on the steps involved in permitting an animal feeding operation. It was designed to support animal agriculture development while maintaining local control. It also clarifies the responsibilities of the Department of Environment Quality vs. local political subdivisions, whether a township or county.
      - Passed Senate Bill 2177. This bill clarifies that, in cases related to animal neglect or abuse, animal owners have the right to make their case before a court determines the outcome of the animals. It also calls for an official brand inspection to be conducted in cases of cattle, horses and mules to assure that there is an accurate accounting of the animals and their owners.




      Its sad to see Stockmans leading the charge against hunters in ND. The game camera law too? Again, its illegal if the land is posted. Another law doesnt change things. I'm sure they are gun supporters. They know more laws dont fix the problem so why is that their main tool here? Lobbying for more laws?....I dont get it. And have lost all respect for them as an organization.







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      Me listening to trespassing SJWs at Stockmen's etc.

      Also - it's time for the feminists to get them to change their name to StockPeople's. So last century.

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      Jeez, maybe they want to impeach all the congressperson that voted nay, on this, blame Russian collusion, recall all the the votes. Sound very similar to the stupidity in Washington. Just sucks that it didn't go the way they wanted

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      The interim committee to "study" 2315 is taking proposed names for the 2 sportsmen that will be on this committee. Wonder who they will be?

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      The interim committee to "study" 2315 is taking proposed names for the 2 sportsmen that will be on this committee. Wonder who they will be?
      me me please

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      only legitimate sportsmen need apply

      not any of you urban criminals

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      I legitimately shit in the “wild” every season. Makes me one with nature

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      Quote Originally Posted by johnr View Post
      I legitimately shit in the “wild” every season. Makes me one with nature
      I should have known that was you. HOA rules prohibit this. Read the charter! I’ll let it pass this time but if you do it again I’ll bring it up at the next HOA conference.

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      I should have known that was you. HOA rules prohibit this. Read the charter! I’ll let it pass this time but if you do it again I’ll bring it up at the next HOA conference.
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      North Dakota lawmakers to look at land access issues after failed 'trespass bill'









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      North Dakota lawmakers will discuss land access issues over the next 18 months. The study relates to the so-called "trespass bill" which failed on the last day of the legislative session. The study passed in a separate bill and is identical to the one contained in the failed bill.
      TOM STROMME, TRIBUNE





      One shard remains of the so-called "trespass bill" that sought to ease issues over hunting access on private land.

      Though the bill failed on North Dakota lawmakers' last day in session, a twin of its study remained intact in the budget for the Information Technology Department. Lawmakers will take up the required study likely beginning this summer,looking at issues related to land access for recommendations before the 2021 legislative session.

      Legislative Management, a powerful interim committee of lawmakers, will meet next week to consider the study outlines before them, including 15 required and 50 that are optional to take up. Interim committees will be finalized in June.




      Sen. Robert Erbele, R-Lehr, brought the "trespass bill" in hopes to connect landowners and hunters. The bill morphed considerably over the course of the session, but at its core presumed all private land as closed to access but for hunting.

      Storms over private property rights and hunting heritage followed the bill, where it hit the rocks in the House and sank on a 44-48 vote on lawmakers' last day of session.

      Now those who were involved with the bill hope for a better outcome from what the study could bring forth.

      "Somehow we have to come to an agreement, I believe," said Rep. Cindy Schreiber-Beck, R-Wahpeton, who sat on committees that had the bill.

      The study outlines a committee comprising two agriculture landowners, two representatives of hunting groups and five lawmakers, as well as five non-voting members from county and state levels. They'll look at electronic posting capabilities, hunting and trespass violations and penalties.

      Erbele's bill sought "a bridge" for landowners and hunters. Landowners said in testimony they simply want to know who is on their land, while signage can be frustrating. The bill originally proposed a land database similar to GPS hunting apps such as onX.

      "What we tried to do is try to give something to both sides, which just fell four votes short," Erbele said. "With today's technology that electronic posting should be a very viable option."

      The study also includes a trial database for land posting and hunter access in up to three North Dakota counties.

      "That will have to be the object of the study, is to try to bring as much clarity to that type of system as possible," Erbele said.








      Signs are indeed a sticking point.

      "Again, back to the private property rights issue that it seems inappropriate that you need to take an affirmative action in order to have the rights over your property, for one," said Julie Ellingson, executive vice president of the North Dakota Stockmen's Association.

      "And for two, there's a time and a cost burden of maintaining those signs and when those signs are damaged or stolen or whatever, that also causes challenges when it comes to prosecution and other areas because of the failure of the sign itself."

      Erbele said he's unsure if he'll be part of the study committee, as Legislative Management will determine its structure.


      Schreiber-Beck said she'd like to at least keep up with the study as it progresses. She pointed to issues of safety and how to post land as key to consider.

      "We really need to take this seriously," Schreiber-Beck said.


      The issue is an old one, with bills brought in nine previous sessions. Ellingson said she'll also watch the study, noting some counties already interested in the trial database.

      "There seems like there should be some better option that recognizes property rights and also can convey information in a more efficient, effective manner for all parties," she said.

      Darrell Belisle, president of the North Dakota Bowhunters Association, participated in meetings with the North Dakota Stockmen's Association in 2018 to find common ground on the issue, but those involved reached no agreement.

      He said solutions have been hard to find. Electronic land posting comes down to how reliable it is, he said, such as keeping up with new landowners.

      "Going forward, now there's a movement to at least try and come up with something that works versus the same old thing every time," Belisle said.












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      Erbele's bill sought "a bridge" for landowners and hunters. Landowners said in testimony they simply want to know who is on their land, while signage can be frustrating. The bill originally proposed a land database similar to GPS hunting apps such as onX.

      Wrong - the bill originally only proposed a listing for those who wanted to leave their land open after everything was posted under the bill - like the coyote hunting guide or PLOTS (remember: they called their listing program Private Land Open To ... Hunters, LOL, though they did try to call it a database of sorts).

      The true "database" idea (for all types of land - posted, unposted, absolutely posted) didn't come to be until after the proponents knew the "everything's posted" nature of the original legislation would lose out in the senate.




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      One final comment on this "news" - "He said solutions have been hard to find. Electronic land posting comes down to how reliable it is, he said, such as keeping up with new landowners."

      The reason solutions are so hard to find, is that most everyone involved can't see the forest for the database tree they've been staring at, measuring, inspecting and fighting over since February. Simpler solutions, easier changes to the code, better ways forward exist if only they'd just be considered.

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      So this popped up on FaceBook today - I don't know why the image won't show - its a sign for posting land - it says:

      " ND LOCKOUT"
      "Supporting our Agricultural & Hunting Heritage by
      Protecting our Inherent Private Property Rights"

      No Trespassing
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      Access Restricted

      It's on the North Dakota Lock Out facebook page



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      Quote Originally Posted by BrewCrew View Post
      So this popped up on FaceBook today - I don't know why the image won't show - its a sign for posting land - it says:

      " ND LOCKOUT"
      "Supporting our Agricultural & Hunting Heritage by
      Protecting our Inherent Private Property Rights"

      No Trespassing
      No Hunting
      Access Restricted

      It's on the North Dakota Lock Out facebook page


      Those seem like primo targets for drunk hooligans to take pot-shots at.

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