Homicide ? Alec Baldwin

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This is going to get messy some of the crew walked off for, long hrs, getting pay checks, and unsafe conditions

https://www.latimes.com/entertainme.../alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

Hours before actor Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer on the New Mexico set of “Rust” with a prop gun, a half-dozen camera crew workers walked off the set to protest working conditions.
The camera operators and their assistants were frustrated by the conditions surrounding the low-budget film, including complaints of long hours and getting their paychecks, according to three people familiar with the matter who were not authorized to comment.
The camera crew showed up for work as expected at 6:30 a.m. Thursday and began gathering up their gear and personal belongings to leave, one knowledgeable crew member told the Los Angeles Times.
Labor trouble had been brewing for days on the dusty set at the Bonanza Creek Ranch near Santa Fe.

Shooting began on Oct. 6 and members of the production said they had been promised the production would pay for their hotel rooms in Santa Fe.
But after filming began, the crews were told they instead would be required to make the 50-mile drive from Albuquerque each day, rather than stay overnight in nearby Santa Fe.

The cinematographer who was accidentally killed, Halyna Hutchins, had been advocating for safer conditions for her team, said one crew member who was on the set.

As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, the knowledgeable person said.

A member of the producer staff then ordered the union members to leave the set. She said if they didn’t leave, the producers would call security to remove them.
“Corners were being cut — and they brought in nonunion people so they could continue shooting,” the knowledgeable person said.
There were two misfires on the prop gun on Saturday and one the previous week, the person said, adding “there was a serious lack of safety meetings on this set.”
“The safety of our cast and crew is the top priority of Rust Productions and everyone associated with the company, " Rust Movie Productions LLC said in a statement. “Though we were not made aware of any official complaints concerning weapon or prop safety on set, we will be conducting an internal review of our procedures while production is shut down. We will continue to cooperate with the Santa Fe authorities in their investigation and offer mental health services to the cast and crew during this tragic time.”
The shooting occurred about six hours after the union camera crew left.
Baldwin, the film’s star who also served as a producer on the film, was apparently rehearsing a scene outside the church of the Bonzana Creek Ranch set, according to two knowledgeable people.


The scene involved a gun fight that began in the church, and then Baldwin’s character was supposed to back out of the church, according to production notes obtained by The Times. It was the 12th day of a 21-day shoot.
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office said deputies were dispatched to the Bonanza Creek Ranch movie set, where filming was underway for the western “Rust,” after calls to 911 at 1:50 p.m. Baldwin was starring in the movie in addition to serving as one of the producers.
No charges have been filed, but the Sheriff’s Office said that “witnesses continue to be interviewed by detectives.”
Baldwin said Friday he’s “fully cooperating with the police investigation” into the incident.
“There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours,” Baldwin wrote Friday in a series of tweets.
Production has been halted on the low-budget movie, which began filming this month.
In an email to its members, Local 44 of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, a union that represents prop masters, said the shot that killed Hutchins and injured director Joel Souza on Thursday was “a live single round.”
“As many of us have already heard, there was an accidental weapons discharge on a production titled Rust being filmed in New Mexico,” said the North Hollywood-based local. “A live single round was accidentally fired on set by the principal actor, hitting both the Director of Photography, Local 600 member Halyna Hutchins, and Director Joel Souza. Both were rushed to the hospital,” the email said.
A source close to union said Local 44 does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that “live” is an industry term that refers to a gun being loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming.
Bonanza Creek Ranch has been a popular filming location for more than 60 years. The first movie to film there was “The Man From Laramie,” starring Jimmy Stewart. It also was the set for the classic “Blazing Saddles,” “The Ballad of Buster Scruggs” and the popular TV show “Longmire.
 


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Why are we calling this a "prop" gun? It was a firearm, probably a reproduction revolver to put it correctly, but it most certainly was not a fake gun.
 

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Anyone done any looking into the victim who got murdered by Baldwin? It's a little interesting ��
 


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Why would a gun that is capable of shooting anything (even a blank) be used in today’s movie world?

I was thinking the same thing. You would think they would design an apparatus that when set off would send smoke out of barrel. It's not like they use the sound of the gun on set
 

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Do you really think anyone in Hollywierd or the media knows the difference???


No, I don't think they either know, or care. However, on this thread we are perpetuating the idea that it is a pistol that should be harmless, it being a "prop", after all. We can at least be correct. I'd prefer we don't buy into the leftist vocabulary when there are better terms out there in Webster. This was obviously a fully functional firearm, and they are trying to suggest it was a harmless piece of steel that malfunctioned.

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Get the rope


Do I sense a little sarcasm? I take it you aren't a subscriber to the person holding the firearm is responsible for its discharge?


I hand my kids loaded, unloaded, and disassembled firearms many times a year. They have heard many times from me that it is their responsibility to check if it's loaded, etc. They will absolutely get an earful from me, if and when they don't personally check on this.

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On a side note, the SOB is going to get off Scot Free. The reason I say this is because he's going to have the defense of "I'm so damn important that I have people to check if the gun is loaded. Hence, I blame Doofus, who is a prop expert".

Note, you and I wouldn't get away with that defense.

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I was thinking the same thing. You would think they would design an apparatus that when set off would send smoke out of barrel. It's not like they use the sound of the gun on set


Cost. You have someone making a decision between filming a gun going off with a $0.50 blank round, or spending $1,500(???) to have some computer geek CGI it, what would you do?
 

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Yup, you are 110% correct.

"On a side note, the SOB is going to get off Scot Free. The reason I say this is because he's going to have the defense of "I'm so damn important that I have people to check if the gun is loaded. Hence, I blame Doofus, who is a prop expert".


Note, you and I wouldn't get away with that defense."

When they are done coddlying him he will walk away unscathed
 


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IJ'm not trying to make an excuse for Baldwin but hunter's are shot every year by other hunters's and we write it off as "Feel so sorry for both" in this unfortunate accident instead of calling for a hinging.

I've been a Hunter Ed Instructor for many years and every year we talk about shooting accidents. Have yet to come across an accidental shooting, from a personal injury to shooting through your floorboard, and in every one; one of the 10 Commandments of Safe Gun Handling has been broken.

Seems like someone is to blame, as is the case in most accidents, but to what extent. More that one Commandment was broken in this instance. 1. Never point a gun at anything you don't want to shoot. 2. Be aware of your target and what's beyond. 3. Treat every gun as thought it is loaded.
 

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No, I don't think they either know, or care. However, on this thread we are perpetuating the idea that it is a pistol that should be harmless, it being a "prop", after all. We can at least be correct. I'd prefer we don't buy into the leftist vocabulary when there are better terms out there in Webster. This was obviously a fully functional firearm, and they are trying to suggest it was a harmless piece of steel that malfunctioned.

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Do I sense a little sarcasm? I take it you aren't a subscriber to the person holding the firearm is responsible for its discharge?


I hand my kids loaded, unloaded, and disassembled firearms many times a year. They have heard many times from me that it is their responsibility to check if it's loaded, etc. They will absolutely get an earful from me, if and when they don't personally check on this.

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On a side note, the SOB is going to get off Scot Free. The reason I say this is because he's going to have the defense of "I'm so damn important that I have people to check if the gun is loaded. Hence, I blame Doofus, who is a prop expert".

Note, you and I wouldn't get away with that defense.

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Cost. You have someone making a decision between filming a gun going off with a $0.50 blank round, or spending $1,500(???) to have some computer geek CGI it, what would you do?

What would a computer guy and cost have anything to do with it. I'm talking about making a piece of equipment that looks like a real firearm but in no way is able to accept a like round or blank. It shoots out smoke when used and in editing the sound of gunfire is put in which they already currently do. No cost difference. Cost of firearm used now(including ammo/blanks)=cost of proposed device. Current cost of editing in sound effects= adding sound effects for device. Only thing I see is it creates an opportunity for someone to design patent and make a little money for themselves. No or very little cost for production companies

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Kind of like a knife that appears to be real but in know way can be used as a knife would
 

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Let's not make excuses for that POS, someone will hang and it won't be him.
 

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What would a computer guy and cost have anything to do with it. I'm talking about making a piece of equipment that looks like a real firearm but in no way is able to accept a like round or blank. It shoots out smoke when used and in editing the sound of gunfire is put in which they already currently do. No cost difference. Cost of firearm used now(including ammo/blanks)=cost of proposed device. Current cost of editing in sound effects= adding sound effects for device. Only thing I see is it creates an opportunity for someone to design patent and make a little money for themselves. No or very little cost for production companies

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Kind of like a knife that appears to be real but in know way can be used as a knife would

We already have pistols like that, they are used in starting races. And they use blanks.

The problem I see with your suggestion is the need to build a handful of each for every type of firearm used in hollywood. I just don't think there would be much room for profit in the number a person would make. So while it seems like a good idea for safety, it also has to be profitable for someone to do it. Hence why if it were to be done without blanks, in today's world it would be CGI.
 

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We already have pistols like that, they are used in starting races. And they use blanks.

The problem I see with your suggestion is the need to build a handful of each for every type of firearm used in hollywood. I just don't think there would be much room for profit in the number a person would make. So while it seems like a good idea for safety, it also has to be profitable for someone to do it. Hence why if it were to be done without blanks, in today's world it would be CGI.

Profit over safety. Got it
 


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Did the discharge take place while shooting a scene? or horseplay? or mishandling?
 

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Shooting a scene. Shooting right at the person holding the camera to get the “looking down the barrel shot” or whatever…shot her right in the chest. Went through her and hit the guy behind her also.
 
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Profit over safety. Got it


I am not advocating profit over safety, just saying there are obstacles to getting to where you want them to be with safety. And let's not kid ourselves, cost is a factor in just about everything in life and especially in business.
 

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Shove a cork in the muzzle. Fill barrel with epoxy.

Boom - done. Mark it up by factor of 10 because it’s a movie safety series of weapon.
 


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