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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 212523" data-attributes="member: 373">California has the nations strictest gun laws<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/04/california-has-the-nations-strictest-gun-laws-here-are-the-other-strictest-and-loosest-states/?utm_term=.82bf5bfc34a5" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/04/california-has-the-nations-strictest-gun-laws-here-are-the-other-strictest-and-loosest-states/?utm_term=.82bf5bfc34a5</a>California leads the nation in mass shootings<a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.876387a8eff9" target="_blank">https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/national/mass-shootings-in-america/?utm_term=.876387a8eff9</a>who really thinks the media will report this to any degree.- - - Updated - - -posted this in the politics thread about the march for life and am truly curious as to what people think. This is NOT intended to turn this into a Bundy/grazing argument at all, simply to see what people will actually support our 2nd for. What do we define as "govt tyranny"? Had a conversation over the weekend and am curious peoples response. Why do we need the 2nd amendment? We conservatives claim it is to protect against govt tyranny? What is this "govt tyranny" we claim it defends us from? If a govt breaks/ignores the laws our elected representatives pass is that a form of tyranny? If a govt takes private property without just and fair compensation as our Constitution requires is that tyranny? If a govt sets up "free speech areas" and arrests those protesting outside those boundries, is that tyranny? If a govt jails people on trumped up charges because they covet their property, is that tyranny? If a govt arrests and holds someone indefinately simply for speaking out against a govts actions and stating they will exercise their God given rights (now protected by the Constitution) is that tyranny? If a govt colludes to silence those that speak out against their actions is that tyranny? If a govt targets groups based on conservative/constitutional ideologies of freedom and private property rights is that tyranny? Each one of these things happened over 240 years ago and we conservatives embrace the actions and results of those that stood against that tyranny...........but yet each one of these things are again happening today and many of these same conservatives distract from the truth of those happenings instead of standing against them.......So why then do we need the 2nd if we are not going to be honest about what our govt is doing? If we are willing to ignore or distract and justify these actions that our Founders did not are we truly protecting what they gave We the people? Just curious.</blockquote>

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