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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 212530" data-attributes="member: 373">So we can talk about those that are marching to limit or abolish the 2nd amendment in the normal section......but asking a simple question about examples of why we claim the 2nd is needed is banished to political?? Alrighty then.- - - Updated - - -I have read the 2nd many times. " "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.""So please explain why those examples I listed are not a threat to the security of a free state? Explain how govt tyranny is not a threat to the security of a free state. "nonsensical"??? ""The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."- Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States, 1833""If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no resource left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers, may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual state. In a single state, if the persons intrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair."- Alexander Hamilton, Federalist No. 28"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789Read the list of greivances in the Declaration and see how many you can say are happening today.- - - Updated - - -I will wait until these midterms before I make any assumptions about what I am curious about. I fear the last election was more about "anyone but hillary" than a return to the Constitution.</blockquote>

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