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<blockquote data-quote="Bed Wetter" data-source="post: 87107" data-attributes="member: 428"><p>[h=1]<em>I think a Glock 19 in 9x21 with an adequate projectile would be neat.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><a href="http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/21/army-chief-eyeing-glock-pistol-as-services-next-sidearm.html" target="_blank">http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/21/army-chief-eyeing-glock-pistol-as-services-next-sidearm.html</a></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Army Chief Eyeing Glock Pistol as Service's Next Sidearm[/h]<span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">The U.S. <a href="http://www.military.com/Community/Home/0,14700,ARMY,00.html" target="_blank">Army</a>'s chief of staff is searching for alternatives to the multi-year Modular Handgun System effort, to include piggy-backing on Army <a href="http://www.military.com/special-operations" target="_blank">Special Operations</a> Command's current pistol contract.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Gen. Mark Milley has used recent public appearances to criticize federal acquisition guidelines that all services must follow when choosing and purchasing weapons and equipment.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">During a March 10 speaking engagement at a conference in Washington, D.C., for instance, Milley chastised a bureaucratic acquisition system for making it overly complicated to field equipment in a timely manner, citing the service's Modular Handgun System, or MHS, effort as <a href="http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/10/army-chief-wants-power-to-select-new-pistol.html" target="_blank">a prime example</a>.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">The Army launched its long-awaited XM17 MHS competition in late August to replace its Cold-War era, <a href="http://www.military.com/equipment/m9-pistol" target="_blank">M9</a> 9mm pistol.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Milley criticized the program's 356-page requirement document and lengthy testing phase slated to cost $17 million for technology that has existed for years.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">"The testing itself is two years long on known technology," Milley told law makers at a March 16 House Armed Services Committee hearing.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">"We are not talking about nuclear subs or going to the moon here. We are talking about a pistol."</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">But behind the scenes, Milley has moved beyond criticism and taken steps to select a new sidearm for soldiers, including exploring the possibility of bypassing the MHS effort altogether.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Milley recently asked the Army Special Operations Command's G-8 office, which oversees fielding of equipment, if there is room for the Army to join its pistol contract to buy Glock 19s, according to a source who asked to remain anonymous because he is not authorized to speak to the media.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">The compact Model 19 is one of Glock's most popular handguns. The striker-fired, 9mm pistol features a four- inch barrel and has a standard capacity of 15 rounds, although 17-round magazines are available. The polymer frame features an accessory rail for mounting lights.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">New Glock 19s retail for $500-$600 each. USASOC is currently paying a base price of about $320 for each Glock 19, the source said.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">With that price, the Army would pay about $91.8 million if the service were to buy 287,000 pistols, the quantity requirement outlined in the MHS effort.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Currently, the MHS program is projected to cost about $350 million, Army officials maintain.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">But choosing the Glock 19 would abandon one of the major goals of the MHS effort -- to adopt a pistol chambered for a more potent round than the current 9mm. The U.S. military replaced the .45-caliber 1911 pistol with the M9 in 1985 and began using the 9mm NATO round at that time.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Most special operations forces, however, use 9mm pistols and a new Defense Department policy that authorizes "special purpose ammunition" now allows the military to use expanding or hollow-point bullets, experts maintain.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Military.com contacted Milley's office and USASOC for comment but neither office responded by deadline.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Milley has also asked Defense Secretary Ashton Carter to grant authority to the service chiefs to approve the acquisition of equipment that does not require new technology or research and development, the source said.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">"I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you don't have the authority to pick a pistol for the Army," Rep. Austin Scott, a Republican from Georgia, told Milley during last week's House Armed Service Committee hearing. All of the service chiefs were present.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">"I would bet that the four of you in uniform could probably in 10 minutes come up with an agreement on what that platform should be," he said. "I would think that with a quick click or two on an iPad that you could figure out what the retail price of the pistol was, what a decent price for that pistol was and what we should be paying for that pistol if we were buying it in the quantities that we were buying it in."</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">The congressman added, "I want you to know that I do believe that you should have that authority."</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Milley told lawmakers that the "secretary of the Army and I do have the authority to pick the weapon, but that's at the end of the day; the problem is getting to the end of the day."</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Scott agreed with Milley that the current acquisition system needs simplifying.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">"I can't help but wonder that if it's this bad with a pistol, what about optics, what about rifles; all of the things we are buying? How much bureaucracy is in there? What we could remove that would allow you to equip your men and women better, faster and with less money?" he said.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'">Scott encouraged Milley, and the other service chiefs, to come up with "specific language you would like to see in the National Defense Authorization Act that would help you cut through that red tape."</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #1B1B1B"><span style="font-family: '-apple-system-font'"><em>-- Matthew Cox can be reached at </em><a href="mailto:matthew.cox@military.com"><em>matthew.cox@military.com</em></a><em>.</em></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bed Wetter, post: 87107, member: 428"] [h=1][I]I think a Glock 19 in 9x21 with an adequate projectile would be neat. [/I] [url]http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/21/army-chief-eyeing-glock-pistol-as-services-next-sidearm.html[/url] Army Chief Eyeing Glock Pistol as Service's Next Sidearm[/h][COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]The U.S. [URL="http://www.military.com/Community/Home/0,14700,ARMY,00.html"]Army[/URL]'s chief of staff is searching for alternatives to the multi-year Modular Handgun System effort, to include piggy-backing on Army [URL="http://www.military.com/special-operations"]Special Operations[/URL] Command's current pistol contract.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Gen. Mark Milley has used recent public appearances to criticize federal acquisition guidelines that all services must follow when choosing and purchasing weapons and equipment.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]During a March 10 speaking engagement at a conference in Washington, D.C., for instance, Milley chastised a bureaucratic acquisition system for making it overly complicated to field equipment in a timely manner, citing the service's Modular Handgun System, or MHS, effort as [URL="http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/03/10/army-chief-wants-power-to-select-new-pistol.html"]a prime example[/URL].[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]The Army launched its long-awaited XM17 MHS competition in late August to replace its Cold-War era, [URL="http://www.military.com/equipment/m9-pistol"]M9[/URL] 9mm pistol.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Milley criticized the program's 356-page requirement document and lengthy testing phase slated to cost $17 million for technology that has existed for years.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]"The testing itself is two years long on known technology," Milley told law makers at a March 16 House Armed Services Committee hearing.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]"We are not talking about nuclear subs or going to the moon here. We are talking about a pistol."[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]But behind the scenes, Milley has moved beyond criticism and taken steps to select a new sidearm for soldiers, including exploring the possibility of bypassing the MHS effort altogether.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Milley recently asked the Army Special Operations Command's G-8 office, which oversees fielding of equipment, if there is room for the Army to join its pistol contract to buy Glock 19s, according to a source who asked to remain anonymous because he is not authorized to speak to the media.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]The compact Model 19 is one of Glock's most popular handguns. The striker-fired, 9mm pistol features a four- inch barrel and has a standard capacity of 15 rounds, although 17-round magazines are available. The polymer frame features an accessory rail for mounting lights.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]New Glock 19s retail for $500-$600 each. USASOC is currently paying a base price of about $320 for each Glock 19, the source said.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]With that price, the Army would pay about $91.8 million if the service were to buy 287,000 pistols, the quantity requirement outlined in the MHS effort.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Currently, the MHS program is projected to cost about $350 million, Army officials maintain.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]But choosing the Glock 19 would abandon one of the major goals of the MHS effort -- to adopt a pistol chambered for a more potent round than the current 9mm. The U.S. military replaced the .45-caliber 1911 pistol with the M9 in 1985 and began using the 9mm NATO round at that time.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Most special operations forces, however, use 9mm pistols and a new Defense Department policy that authorizes "special purpose ammunition" now allows the military to use expanding or hollow-point bullets, experts maintain.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Military.com contacted Milley's office and USASOC for comment but neither office responded by deadline.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Milley has also asked Defense Secretary Ashton Carter to grant authority to the service chiefs to approve the acquisition of equipment that does not require new technology or research and development, the source said.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]"I think it's absolutely ridiculous that you don't have the authority to pick a pistol for the Army," Rep. Austin Scott, a Republican from Georgia, told Milley during last week's House Armed Service Committee hearing. All of the service chiefs were present.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]"I would bet that the four of you in uniform could probably in 10 minutes come up with an agreement on what that platform should be," he said. "I would think that with a quick click or two on an iPad that you could figure out what the retail price of the pistol was, what a decent price for that pistol was and what we should be paying for that pistol if we were buying it in the quantities that we were buying it in."[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]The congressman added, "I want you to know that I do believe that you should have that authority."[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Milley told lawmakers that the "secretary of the Army and I do have the authority to pick the weapon, but that's at the end of the day; the problem is getting to the end of the day."[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Scott agreed with Milley that the current acquisition system needs simplifying.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]"I can't help but wonder that if it's this bad with a pistol, what about optics, what about rifles; all of the things we are buying? How much bureaucracy is in there? What we could remove that would allow you to equip your men and women better, faster and with less money?" he said.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font]Scott encouraged Milley, and the other service chiefs, to come up with "specific language you would like to see in the National Defense Authorization Act that would help you cut through that red tape."[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#1B1B1B][FONT=-apple-system-font][I]-- Matthew Cox can be reached at [/I][EMAIL="matthew.cox@military.com"][I]matthew.cox@military.com[/I][/EMAIL][I].[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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