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<blockquote data-quote="wby257" data-source="post: 150392" data-attributes="member: 1035">I copied this off Hotspot OutdoorsAnother needless tragedy, not far from me. I preach about this every year.....get a CO detector for your permie AND portty!!!!&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I used to teach this stuff as a certified EMT Instructor, dealt with it while I was a LEO, and have seen the results first hand. To keep it brief and to the point: The low oxygen&nbsp; (O) sensing buddy heaters ARE NOT good enough to protect you'; the concentration of CO can be enough to affect you long before that pilot goes out on those heaters. I proved that in a test with a friend in my porty, closed up. Heater was just starting to fail, and CO levels were already way high. (350 PPM on my meter) That O sensor is not a dependable source of &quot;info&quot; or safety; I liken it to putting&nbsp; a top on a jar candle...when the oxygen's all used up, it goes out. If you experience any type of headache, tiredness, nausea, burning eye, GET OUT NOW!!&nbsp; And ALWAYS keep a door cracked in that porty (or perm) for fresh air (perm's usually have a fresh air vent) I always partially unzippied the top of one door, and the bottom of the other door in my porty. Helps with condensation, too. It's code in a house for your furnace, now imagine a space twenty times smaller...even more important. So people, PLEASE pop the $20 for a CO detector, and save your life.&nbsp; If you ever have to pull a body out of somewhere that's died from CO poisoning, you never forgot the cherry red of them caused by the CO bonding to the hemoglobin in your blood, preventing it from carrying any oxygen. You literally die of oxygen deprivation. So guys, please stop by that box store today and grab one, will you? Is your life worth $20?&nbsp; &nbsp; 21-year-old woman dies from CO poisoning at ice fishing house&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; &nbsp; By Shannon RousseauCONNECT&nbsp; &nbsp; Posted: Jan 15, 2017 9:40 PM CST&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Lake Wilmert, Minn. -&nbsp; &nbsp; The Martin County Sheriff's Office said a woman died and four other people were hospitalized after suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning Sunday afternoon.&nbsp; &nbsp; It happened in an ice fishing house on Lake Wilmert in rural Martin County, which is two hours west of Rochester.&nbsp; &nbsp; The 21-year-old female died at the scene around 2 p.m. Sunday.&nbsp; &nbsp; A 20-year-old man was taken to St. Mary's Hospital in Rochester.&nbsp; &nbsp; Three other adults were treated at local hospitals.&nbsp; &nbsp; Police have not released the woman's name. The cause of death is still under investigation by the Ramsey County Medical Examiner's &nbsp; &nbsp; Office.&nbsp; &nbsp; Carbon monoxide levels in the air&nbsp; &nbsp; What is normal? What is dangerous?&nbsp; &nbsp; Carbon monoxide levels in the blood stream cannot easily be measured outside a medical setting. Carbon monoxide levels are often shown as concentration levels of parts per million (PPM) in the air and length of exposure.&nbsp; &nbsp; Carbon monoxide&nbsp; &nbsp; Parts Per Million&nbsp; &nbsp; (PPM)&nbsp;&nbsp; Time&nbsp;&nbsp; Symptoms&nbsp; &nbsp; 0.2 PPM&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp;&nbsp; Natural carbon monoxide levels in the air&nbsp; &nbsp; 35 PPM&nbsp;&nbsp; 8 hours&nbsp;&nbsp; Maximum exposure of carbon monoxide levels allowed by&nbsp; &nbsp; OSHA in the workplace over an 8&nbsp; &nbsp; hour period&nbsp; &nbsp; 200 PPM&nbsp;&nbsp; 2 to 3 hours&nbsp;&nbsp; Mild headache, fatigue, nausea&nbsp; &nbsp; dizziness&nbsp; &nbsp; 400 PPM&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 to 2 hours&nbsp;&nbsp; Serious carbon monoxide headache, other symptoms intensify&nbsp; &nbsp; Continued exposure: Life threatening after 3 hours&nbsp; &nbsp; 800 PPM&nbsp;&nbsp; 45 minutes&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Dizziness, nausea, convulsions&nbsp; &nbsp; Unconscious within 2 hours&nbsp; &nbsp; Continued exposure: Death within 2 to 3 hours&nbsp; &nbsp; 1,600 PPM&nbsp;&nbsp; 20 minutes&nbsp;&nbsp; Headache, dizziness, nausea&nbsp; &nbsp; Continued exposure: Death within 1 hour&nbsp; &nbsp; 3,200 PPM&nbsp;&nbsp; 5 to 10 minutes&nbsp;&nbsp; Headache, dizziness, nausea&nbsp; &nbsp; Continued exposure: Death within 1 hour&nbsp; &nbsp; 6,400 PPM&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 to 2 minutes&nbsp;&nbsp; Headache, dizziness, nausea&nbsp; &nbsp; Continued exposure: Death within 25 to 30 minutes&nbsp; &nbsp; 12,800 PPM&nbsp;&nbsp; 1 to 3 minutes&nbsp;&nbsp; Death</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wby257, post: 150392, member: 1035"] I copied this off Hotspot Outdoors Another needless tragedy, not far from me. I preach about this every year.....get a CO detector for your permie AND portty!!!! I used to teach this stuff as a certified EMT Instructor, dealt with it while I was a LEO, and have seen the results first hand. To keep it brief and to the point: The low oxygen (O) sensing buddy heaters ARE NOT good enough to protect you'; the concentration of CO can be enough to affect you long before that pilot goes out on those heaters. I proved that in a test with a friend in my porty, closed up. Heater was just starting to fail, and CO levels were already way high. (350 PPM on my meter) That O sensor is not a dependable source of "info" or safety; I liken it to putting a top on a jar candle...when the oxygen's all used up, it goes out. If you experience any type of headache, tiredness, nausea, burning eye, GET OUT NOW!! And ALWAYS keep a door cracked in that porty (or perm) for fresh air (perm's usually have a fresh air vent) I always partially unzippied the top of one door, and the bottom of the other door in my porty. Helps with condensation, too. It's code in a house for your furnace, now imagine a space twenty times smaller...even more important. So people, PLEASE pop the $20 for a CO detector, and save your life. If you ever have to pull a body out of somewhere that's died from CO poisoning, you never forgot the cherry red of them caused by the CO bonding to the hemoglobin in your blood, preventing it from carrying any oxygen. You literally die of oxygen deprivation. So guys, please stop by that box store today and grab one, will you? Is your life worth $20? 21-year-old woman dies from CO poisoning at ice fishing house 1 By Shannon RousseauCONNECT Posted: Jan 15, 2017 9:40 PM CST Lake Wilmert, Minn. - The Martin County Sheriff's Office said a woman died and four other people were hospitalized after suffering from carbon monoxide poisoning Sunday afternoon. It happened in an ice fishing house on Lake Wilmert in rural Martin County, which is two hours west of Rochester. The 21-year-old female died at the scene around 2 p.m. Sunday. A 20-year-old man was taken to St. Mary's Hospital in Rochester. Three other adults were treated at local hospitals. Police have not released the woman's name. The cause of death is still under investigation by the Ramsey County Medical Examiner's Office. Carbon monoxide levels in the air What is normal? What is dangerous? Carbon monoxide levels in the blood stream cannot easily be measured outside a medical setting. Carbon monoxide levels are often shown as concentration levels of parts per million (PPM) in the air and length of exposure. Carbon monoxide Parts Per Million (PPM) Time Symptoms 0.2 PPM - Natural carbon monoxide levels in the air 35 PPM 8 hours Maximum exposure of carbon monoxide levels allowed by OSHA in the workplace over an 8 hour period 200 PPM 2 to 3 hours Mild headache, fatigue, nausea dizziness 400 PPM 1 to 2 hours Serious carbon monoxide headache, other symptoms intensify Continued exposure: Life threatening after 3 hours 800 PPM 45 minutes Dizziness, nausea, convulsions Unconscious within 2 hours Continued exposure: Death within 2 to 3 hours 1,600 PPM 20 minutes Headache, dizziness, nausea Continued exposure: Death within 1 hour 3,200 PPM 5 to 10 minutes Headache, dizziness, nausea Continued exposure: Death within 1 hour 6,400 PPM 1 to 2 minutes Headache, dizziness, nausea Continued exposure: Death within 25 to 30 minutes 12,800 PPM 1 to 3 minutes Death [/QUOTE]

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