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<blockquote data-quote="Kurtr" data-source="post: 408933" data-attributes="member: 194">In the heat they definitely would not keep up when it got cold and it was cat tail time the labs out worked them on top of they had to retrieve the birds.&nbsp; Those two were just mean I got to hunt with them daily as for some reason my dog got along with them.&nbsp; They had zero retrieve drive once the bird was shot even if it was laying around and flopping in a cut bean field.&nbsp; I also got to run with some a couple gsp that ran nationals and they were nice dogs they would retrieve at a very basic level compared to actual retrievers but thats why pointer is in their name they were nice dogs and had a great off switch at night.&nbsp; I have got to run with a couple wirehairs with a girl from Bismark she has won some up land trials and put an hrch on that dog he is very nice dog but there is a reason non of the versatile or pointing&nbsp; dogs have ever passed the HRC Grand and why no retrievers have won a horse back field trial.&nbsp; Its not in their genetic make up no matter the amount of training</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Kurtr, post: 408933, member: 194"] In the heat they definitely would not keep up when it got cold and it was cat tail time the labs out worked them on top of they had to retrieve the birds. Those two were just mean I got to hunt with them daily as for some reason my dog got along with them. They had zero retrieve drive once the bird was shot even if it was laying around and flopping in a cut bean field. I also got to run with some a couple gsp that ran nationals and they were nice dogs they would retrieve at a very basic level compared to actual retrievers but thats why pointer is in their name they were nice dogs and had a great off switch at night. I have got to run with a couple wirehairs with a girl from Bismark she has won some up land trials and put an hrch on that dog he is very nice dog but there is a reason non of the versatile or pointing dogs have ever passed the HRC Grand and why no retrievers have won a horse back field trial. Its not in their genetic make up no matter the amount of training [/QUOTE]

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