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<blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 103339" data-attributes="member: 373">Allen, did you read the article?&nbsp; Here is a portion.&quot;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <ul>
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</ul>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <img src="http://www.cfact.org/artimages/featureNDlake2.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> For over half a century, picturesque Lake Tschida in southwestern&nbsp; North Dakota has been the destination of choice for residents of nearby&nbsp; communities to spend warm summer weekends with friends and family.&nbsp; In&nbsp; this semiarid part of the Northern Plains, where recreational lakes are&nbsp; few and far between, the reservoir has attracted cabins and mobile&nbsp; homes, whose owners lease lakefront parcels of land from the Bureau of&nbsp; Reclamation. But if the bureau has its way, an arrangement that has worked well&nbsp; for decades will be cast aside, with the owners of all 114 mobile homes&nbsp; being told to pack up and get out by 2022.&nbsp; The bureau justifies its&nbsp; action by claiming that the mobile homes could be ripped from their&nbsp; moorings during a flood, posing a risk to the reservoir’s earthen dam&nbsp; and to areas down river. After a severe flood – the worst in 50 years —&nbsp; struck the area in 2009, the bureau, without consulting leaseholders,&nbsp; abruptly directed that all mobile homes be removed from the lake no&nbsp; later than 2010. Yet of 114 mobile homes on the lake, only 16 had water&nbsp; in them, and no homes became detached from their moorings. The bureau’s draconian move came less than a year after it had&nbsp; advised owners of cabins and mobile homes that they could expand the&nbsp; structures on their parcels.&nbsp; Believing in the good faith of the bureau,&nbsp; many people, at considerable personal expense, added decks, sheds, and&nbsp; other improvements to their properties. “By issuing building permits for&nbsp; decks, septic systems, and other structures,” the Bismarck Tribune&nbsp; noted in a recent editorial, “the bureau has forfeited the ability to&nbsp; tell those with mobile homes parked in low-lying areas to simply clear&nbsp; out.”Leaseholders at the lake have gone to extraordinary lengths to reach&nbsp; an accommodation with the bureau. They have offered to move their&nbsp; mobile homes to a higher elevation on their lots, and to remove the&nbsp; homes altogether over the winter months.&nbsp; The latter proposal would&nbsp; effectively eliminate whatever remote risk the mobile homes posed from&nbsp; floodwaters, because they would not be brought back to the lake until&nbsp; after the winter snow had melted.&nbsp; All of this has been to no avail.&nbsp;&nbsp; The only “compromise” the bureau has been willing to make is to allow&nbsp; the mobile homes to stay until 2022.&nbsp; After that, they must go.&nbsp; All the&nbsp; leaseholders have gotten is a stay of execution.What’s more, the bureau’s claim that the mobile homes are situated in&nbsp; a so-called “flood pool” rests on shaky scientific ground.&nbsp; It is based&nbsp; on information dating to 1943, six years before the Heart Butte Dam was&nbsp; built, creating Lake Tschida.“Frankly, the bureau probably isn’t the right landlord for the job,” the Bismarck Tribune&nbsp; says, “but it’s the landlord the Lake Tschida people have.” In truth,&nbsp; the federal government is never the right landlord. People leasing land&nbsp; from a federal agency will always be at the whim of bureaucrats with&nbsp; their own agendas.&nbsp; The controversy at Lake Tschida raises serious&nbsp; questions about how secure leaseholders are at other reservoirs around&nbsp; the country that are subject to the Bureau of Reclamation’s oversight.COE, BOR, BLM, USFS...............peas in a pod.- - - Updated - - -likely not any more excited about that than&nbsp; Towner residents watching Minot propane tanks or Grand Forks watching Fargo propane tanks or Pierre residents and Bismarck/Mandan propane tanks..........................The point here is highlighted in the article. &quot;But if the bureau has its way, an arrangement that has worked well&nbsp; for decades will be cast aside&quot;&nbsp; &quot;the bureau, without consulting leaseholders, abruptly directed that all&nbsp; mobile homes be removed from the lake no later than 2010. &quot;So then the question is should we just assume that a Federal agency willing to act like this is not part of the problem and it is soley this one other fella ?- - - Updated - - -easy there fella, your hate panties are showing. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" />- - - Updated - - -So what are the &quot;rules&quot; when one is considering an easement to allow the use of their lands? So would the BOR telling people they can add improvements to their cabins and then tell them they have to move them &quot;playing by the rules&quot;?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gst, post: 103339, member: 373"] Allen, did you read the article? Here is a portion. " [LIST] [*] [/LIST] May 29, 2012 by [URL="http://www.cfact.org/author/bonner5/"]Bonner Cohen, Ph. D.[/URL], Comments are off [LIST=|INDENT=-2] [*][URL="http://twitter.com/share"]Tweet[/URL] [*] [*] [*] [*] [/LIST] [IMG]http://www.cfact.org/artimages/featureNDlake2.jpg[/IMG] [I]For over half a century, picturesque Lake Tschida in southwestern North Dakota has been the destination of choice for residents of nearby communities to spend warm summer weekends with friends and family. In this semiarid part of the Northern Plains, where recreational lakes are few and far between, the reservoir has attracted cabins and mobile homes, whose owners lease lakefront parcels of land from the Bureau of Reclamation. [/I] [I][B]But if the bureau has its way, an arrangement that has [U]worked well for decades[/U] will be cast aside,[/B] with the owners of all 114 mobile homes being told to pack up and get out by 2022. The bureau justifies its action by claiming that the mobile homes [B]could [/B]be ripped from their moorings during a flood, posing a risk to the reservoir’s earthen dam and to areas down river. [B] After a severe flood – the worst in 50 years — struck the area in 2009[/B],[SIZE=3][B] the bureau, without consulting leaseholders[/B][/SIZE], abruptly directed that all mobile homes be removed from the lake no later than 2010. [B] Yet of 114 mobile homes on the lake, only 16 had water in them, and no homes became detached from their moorings.[/B] [/I] [I][SIZE=4][B]The bureau’s draconian move came less than a year after it had advised owners of cabins and mobile homes that they could expand the structures on their parcels[/B][/SIZE]. Believing in the good faith of the bureau, many people, at considerable personal expense, added decks, sheds, and other improvements to their properties. “By issuing building permits for decks, septic systems, and other structures,” the Bismarck Tribune noted in a recent editorial, “the bureau has forfeited the ability to tell those with mobile homes parked in low-lying areas to simply clear out.” [/I] [I][B]Leaseholders at the lake have gone to extraordinary lengths to reach an accommodation with the bureau. [/B] They have offered to move their mobile homes to a higher elevation on their lots, and to remove the homes altogether over the winter months. The latter proposal would effectively eliminate whatever remote risk the mobile homes posed from floodwaters, because they would not be brought back to the lake until after the winter snow had melted. All of this has been to no avail. The only “compromise” the bureau has been willing to make is to allow the mobile homes to stay until 2022. After that, they must go. All the leaseholders have gotten is a stay of execution. [/I] [I][B]What’s more, the bureau’s claim that the mobile homes are situated in a so-called “flood pool” rests on shaky scientific ground. It is based on information dating to 1943, six years before the Heart Butte Dam was built, creating Lake Tschida. [/B] “Frankly, the bureau probably isn’t the right landlord for the job,” the Bismarck Tribune says, “but it’s the landlord the Lake Tschida people have.” [B] In truth, the federal government is never the right landlord. [/B] People leasing land from a federal agency will always be at the [B]whim of bureaucrats with their own agendas[/B]. The controversy at Lake Tschida raises serious questions about how secure leaseholders are at other reservoirs around the country that are subject to the Bureau of Reclamation’s oversight.[/I] COE, BOR, BLM, USFS...............peas in a pod. [COLOR="silver"][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] likely not any more excited about that than Towner residents watching Minot propane tanks or Grand Forks watching Fargo propane tanks or Pierre residents and Bismarck/Mandan propane tanks.......................... The point here is highlighted in the article. " [I][B]But if the bureau has its way, an arrangement that has [U]worked well for decades[/U] will be cast aside" "the bureau, without consulting leaseholders, abruptly directed that all mobile homes be removed from the lake no later than 2010. " [/B][/I]So then the question is should we just assume that a Federal agency willing to act like this is not part of the problem and it is soley this one other fella ? [COLOR="silver"][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] easy there fella, your hate panties are showing. ;) [COLOR="silver"][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] So what are the "rules" when one is considering an easement to allow the use of their lands? So would the BOR telling people they can add improvements to their cabins and then tell them they have to move them "playing by the rules"? [/QUOTE]

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