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<blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 177075" data-attributes="member: 373"><p>plainsman and now possibly allen wishes people to believe ranchers just open the trailer door and dump as many cows on these lands as they can. If anyone wishes ot actually learn some facts here is the grazing policies developed in 2006 that have been undergoing developmental research since. </p><p></p><p>Pages 1 - 13 deal with drought management. </p><p></p><p>PlanPage#Guidelines1-13 1.<strong> <span style="font-size: 18px">Modify livestock grazing practicesas needed </span>to reduce adverse impacts ofdrought to food and cover for prairiegrouse and other wildlife</strong>.1-13 2. When installing new livestock watertanks, install durable and effectiveescape ramps for birds and smallmammals. During maintenance ofexisting tanks, replace ramps that areineffective or missing.1-14 18. Manage for late seral conditionsagebrush in selected sagebrush standsto provide quality wintering habitat forsage grouse (see Appendix H).</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>One thing to note is that any disagreements are ruled in favor of the species or plant or wildlife being impacted ...in other words livestock take a back seat. </p><p></p><p><em>PlanPage#Guidelines3-10 Prohibit livestock grazing in thefollowing Special Interest areas: TheBog, Grand River Sand Dunes, WhiteButte, Black Cottonwood, and BurningCoal Vein/Columnar Junipers.3-30 3. Maintain disturbance processes(fire, grazing) if required for habitatenhancement, restoration or speciesviability.5<strong>3-30 5. Conflicts that cannot be mitigatedare resolved in favor of specific plantand wildlife species and communities.</strong>3-37 1. Use livestock grazing strategies thatmaintain or improve the vegetativecomposition and structure associatedwith the scenic qualities of the area.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p></p><p></p><p>These are guidelines that ranchers have worked WITH these public lands managers to better improve Sage grouse habitat ot help keep them from being listed. Each year during the NDSA annual convention there are updates and explanations given as ot these policy guidelines and rules so this is something over the years we have learned a bit about. </p><p></p><p><strong>Any ways enjoy reading some facts for a change. </strong></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3818907.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3818907.pdf</a></p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>Oh hey, would someone please let plainsman know maybe this is something he should not be "ignoring" if he wants to post anything factual down the road here? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p> |</p><p>So how much digging did you have to do to hear these "stories" Mickey?? I am curious to where you thought you found such damning information you would make such a foolish petty veiled accusation. Especially given the job you claimed to have. </p><p></p><p>Now you're insinuating racism?? </p><p></p><p>You need ot do a bit more snooping Mickey, maybe you can find a bit I wrote on Mr. Cobb believing he would come ot our community and change it to suit his ideals. Several people in our community liked it a bit. </p><p></p><p>"grateful"????? go ahead and make publicly the accusations you did privately on this site mike, people will see what measure of a person you are simply because you may disagree with or not like someone you have never met to make personal accusation that are not true. </p><p></p><p>Remember though,<strong> to have any credibility </strong>you would have to share where you got your "stories" you made your veiled accusation from and also remember the consequences of making such untrue accusations can have especially to someone that works in the field you shared you do <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>These are the groups that plainsman like to quote on here...........</p><p></p><p><a href="http://helenair.com/news/state-and-regional/lawsuit-halted-fire-mitigation-work-in-area-now-burning-near/article_1645162d-56f1-5ae5-b118-44e4ed7fffb9.html" target="_blank">http://helenair.com/news/state-and-regional/lawsuit-halted-fire-mitigation-work-in-area-now-burning-near/article_1645162d-56f1-5ae5-b118-44e4ed7fffb9.html</a></p><p></p><p>Mean while actual peoples lives are put in jeopardy fighting these fires</p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>Even the forest supervisor thinks it is stupid. <em></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 15px">"<span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'">Two Lincoln-area wildfires are burning within an area the Forest Service approved for fire mitigation work starting this year, but is currently under federal court injunction.</span></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"></span></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"></span></span></span></em><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><em>“It was about creating resilient forest conditions, <strong>a<span style="font-size: 18px">nd part of that being protection for the community of Lincoln,</span></strong>” said Bill Avey, forest supervisor. “There’s fuel loading with high mortality and there’s a history of fire starts in that area that’ve been increasingly hard to catch.”</em></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><em>Earlier this month lightning sparked the Park Creek and Arrastra Creek wildfires in the project area, burning more than 6,000 acres to date and still largely uncontained.</em></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><em></em></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><em><strong>Last winter, environmental watchdogs Alliance for the Wild Rockies and Native Ecosystems Council filed a lawsuit challenging the project</strong>. The groups contended it would negatively impact elk and grizzly bears while exemptions allowing logging in Canada lynx habitat were misapplied.</em></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><em>With the first timber sale sold to a contractor, this spring a federal judge granted a preliminary injunction temporarily halting the project. Judge Dana Christensen ruled that an injunction only temporarily postpones the potential benefits of the project and found the risk of fire was not imminent and did not outweigh the Forest Service’s obligation to follow the Endangered Species Act.</em></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><em>“The Court acknowledges that Defendants have presented evidence that the Project area is susceptible to severe and intense wildfires due to elevated fuel levels caused by ‘heavy accumulations of dead and down timber.’ However, though there is the possibility of serious fire activity within the boundaries of the Project, <strong>there is no indication that this area is at risk of imminent fire activity,” Christensen wrote."</strong></em></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Lato'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><span style="font-size: 15px">oops.......</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: 'Yrsa'"><span style="font-size: 15px">yeah, what the hell does that forest supervisor guy know any ways............Lets just go ahead an leave that timber and grass..........</span>.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gst, post: 177075, member: 373"] plainsman and now possibly allen wishes people to believe ranchers just open the trailer door and dump as many cows on these lands as they can. If anyone wishes ot actually learn some facts here is the grazing policies developed in 2006 that have been undergoing developmental research since. Pages 1 - 13 deal with drought management. PlanPage#Guidelines1-13 1.[B] [SIZE=5]Modify livestock grazing practicesas needed [/SIZE]to reduce adverse impacts ofdrought to food and cover for prairiegrouse and other wildlife[/B].1-13 2. When installing new livestock watertanks, install durable and effectiveescape ramps for birds and smallmammals. During maintenance ofexisting tanks, replace ramps that areineffective or missing.1-14 18. Manage for late seral conditionsagebrush in selected sagebrush standsto provide quality wintering habitat forsage grouse (see Appendix H). One thing to note is that any disagreements are ruled in favor of the species or plant or wildlife being impacted ...in other words livestock take a back seat. [I]PlanPage#Guidelines3-10 Prohibit livestock grazing in thefollowing Special Interest areas: TheBog, Grand River Sand Dunes, WhiteButte, Black Cottonwood, and BurningCoal Vein/Columnar Junipers.3-30 3. Maintain disturbance processes(fire, grazing) if required for habitatenhancement, restoration or speciesviability.5[B]3-30 5. Conflicts that cannot be mitigatedare resolved in favor of specific plantand wildlife species and communities.[/B]3-37 1. Use livestock grazing strategies thatmaintain or improve the vegetativecomposition and structure associatedwith the scenic qualities of the area. [/I] These are guidelines that ranchers have worked WITH these public lands managers to better improve Sage grouse habitat ot help keep them from being listed. Each year during the NDSA annual convention there are updates and explanations given as ot these policy guidelines and rules so this is something over the years we have learned a bit about. [B]Any ways enjoy reading some facts for a change. [/B] [URL]https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3818907.pdf[/URL] [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] Oh hey, would someone please let plainsman know maybe this is something he should not be "ignoring" if he wants to post anything factual down the road here? :) [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] | So how much digging did you have to do to hear these "stories" Mickey?? I am curious to where you thought you found such damning information you would make such a foolish petty veiled accusation. Especially given the job you claimed to have. Now you're insinuating racism?? You need ot do a bit more snooping Mickey, maybe you can find a bit I wrote on Mr. Cobb believing he would come ot our community and change it to suit his ideals. Several people in our community liked it a bit. "grateful"????? go ahead and make publicly the accusations you did privately on this site mike, people will see what measure of a person you are simply because you may disagree with or not like someone you have never met to make personal accusation that are not true. Remember though,[B] to have any credibility [/B]you would have to share where you got your "stories" you made your veiled accusation from and also remember the consequences of making such untrue accusations can have especially to someone that works in the field you shared you do ;) [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] These are the groups that plainsman like to quote on here........... [URL]http://helenair.com/news/state-and-regional/lawsuit-halted-fire-mitigation-work-in-area-now-burning-near/article_1645162d-56f1-5ae5-b118-44e4ed7fffb9.html[/URL] Mean while actual peoples lives are put in jeopardy fighting these fires [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] Even the forest supervisor thinks it is stupid. [I] [SIZE=4] "[COLOR=#444444][FONT=Yrsa]Two Lincoln-area wildfires are burning within an area the Forest Service approved for fire mitigation work starting this year, but is currently under federal court injunction. [/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE][/I][SIZE=4][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Lato][COLOR=#444444][FONT=Yrsa][I]“It was about creating resilient forest conditions, [B]a[SIZE=5]nd part of that being protection for the community of Lincoln,[/SIZE][/B]” said Bill Avey, forest supervisor. “There’s fuel loading with high mortality and there’s a history of fire starts in that area that’ve been increasingly hard to catch.”[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Lato][COLOR=#444444][FONT=Yrsa][I]Earlier this month lightning sparked the Park Creek and Arrastra Creek wildfires in the project area, burning more than 6,000 acres to date and still largely uncontained. [B]Last winter, environmental watchdogs Alliance for the Wild Rockies and Native Ecosystems Council filed a lawsuit challenging the project[/B]. The groups contended it would negatively impact elk and grizzly bears while exemptions allowing logging in Canada lynx habitat were misapplied.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#444444][FONT=Yrsa][I]With the first timber sale sold to a contractor, this spring a federal judge granted a preliminary injunction temporarily halting the project. Judge Dana Christensen ruled that an injunction only temporarily postpones the potential benefits of the project and found the risk of fire was not imminent and did not outweigh the Forest Service’s obligation to follow the Endangered Species Act.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#444444][FONT=Yrsa][I]“The Court acknowledges that Defendants have presented evidence that the Project area is susceptible to severe and intense wildfires due to elevated fuel levels caused by ‘heavy accumulations of dead and down timber.’ However, though there is the possibility of serious fire activity within the boundaries of the Project, [B]there is no indication that this area is at risk of imminent fire activity,” Christensen wrote."[/B][/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/SIZE][COLOR=#444444][FONT=Yrsa][SIZE=4] oops....... yeah, what the hell does that forest supervisor guy know any ways............Lets just go ahead an leave that timber and grass..........[/SIZE].[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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