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<blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 177126" data-attributes="member: 373"><p>And on it goes. Once again plainsman has been shown the actual links ot the facts that the govt intended these lands to be dispersed to fund community growth and educational development. He has been shown links where ranchers themselves are advocating better management of these grasslands. Yet he CHOOSES to bear false witness in what he posts. </p><p></p><p><strong><a href="http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=174042#p1052514" target="_blank">Re: Deer rifle license are out</a></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><a href="http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1052514#p1052514" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/styles/prosilver/imageset/icon_post_target.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a>by <strong><a href="http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=995" target="_blank">Plainsman</a></strong> » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:38 pm</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: inherit">For the future of hunting pay attention to the American Land Council. I am betting every one of those radicals in Oregon who wanted land back that they were once paid for belonged to the American Land Council. Here is a statement of their goals:CODE: <a href="http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=174042#" target="_blank">SELECT ALL</a>The clear solution to federal mismanagement of our public lands is to transfer some of these lands to willing states so that meaningful, sustainable reforms can be instituted by the people who care about proper management of these lands the most. The United States Constitution (Art 4, Sec 3, Clause 2) grants Congress the Power to transfer public lands to the States. </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: inherit">Here read it for yourself:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: inherit"><a href="http://www.americanlandscouncil.org/our_mission" target="_blank">http://www.americanlandscouncil.org/our_mission</a></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: inherit">Here is their strategy. Transfer it to the states where they can get their hands on it. Better management to them means they get to post it so you can't hunt it. People are always looking for ways to enhance their own pocketbooks. <span style="color: #ff0000">They can't stand to see the feds leaving a head of grass on public land.</span> They can't stand seeing people hunt it without paying. Their measure of value is the thickness of their wallet. Some would want you to believe they just want to help us out. Supporting them would be like chickens supporting Colonel Sanders.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: inherit">They talk a good talk because they know what the average citizen wants to hear. Talk to a member once. They will start talking about how states were given land to sell to support schools. Now that may be partially true, but once sold it no longer supports schools.<span style="color: #FF0000"> I think the idea was the state keeps the lands they were given and uses the rent to support schools then they have school support forever. </span>I think what happened was it was easier and cheaper to corrupt local and state. Well, perhaps not easier, I would guess U S Senators are much more expensive to get in the pocket.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">"Total tolerance is not a virtue, it is a total lack of principles". Plainsman </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0000ff"><span style="font-size: 12px">Plainsman, how can you take at face value one portion of the ALC mission statement..........yet deny what their policy statement is? </span></span></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><img src="https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/americanlandscouncil/pages/34/attachments/original/1415140069/Large_New_ALC_Logo_-_Blue_copy_.jpg?1415140069" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></span></p><p><strong><strong>Public Policy Statement </strong></strong></p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit">Ratified by unanimous consent Oct 9, 2014 at ALC Multi-State Workshop </span></span><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit">Salt Lake City, UT and Oct 20, 2014 by American Lands Council Board of Directors.</span></span><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit">Reaffirmed by unanimous consent Oct 20, 2016 at ALC National Conference.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>1. </strong><strong>WE URGE THE TIMELY AND ORDERLY TRANSFER OF FEDERAL PUBLIC LANDS TO WILLING STATES FOR LOCAL CONTROL THAT WILL PROVIDE BETTER PUBLIC ACCESS, BETTER ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH, AND BETTER ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVITY; </strong></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>2. </strong><strong>WE SUPPORT EXCLUDING EXISTING NATIONAL PARKS, CONGRESSIONALLY DESIGNATED WILDERNESS AREAS, INDIAN RESERVATIONS, AND MILITARY INSTALLATIONS FROM THE TRANSFER; AND </strong></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>3. </strong><strong>WE SUPPORT EQUIPPING FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL AGENCIES WITH RESOURCES NECESSARY TO PLAN FOR A SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION TO STATE-BASED OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT OF THE TRANSFERRED PUBLIC LANDS; AND </strong></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>4. </strong><strong>WE URGE MANAGEMENT PRIORITIES FOR THESE LANDS THAT WILL: </strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>i. IMPROVE PUBLIC ACCESS: </strong>Protect public access, rights of way, and multiple-uses on public lands for all people including sportsmen, tourists, recreational users, subsistence and sustenance activities, and emergency access; and </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>ii. IMPROVE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH: </strong>Reduce catastrophic wildfire fuel loads that threaten communities, infrastructure, watersheds, critical wildlife habitat, and our environment. Facilitate restoration of healthy forests, range lands, and waterways; an</span>d </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>iii. IMPROVE ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVITY: </strong>Secure jobs and economic growth through responsible natural resource stewardship and use including tourism and recreational opportunities; and </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>iv. RETAIN PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF PUBLIC LANDS: </strong>Federal public lands shall become state public lands to be managed in accordance with state and local plans; and </span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>v. IMPROVE EFFICIENCY OF WILDFIRE CONTROL: </strong>Provide state, local, and tribal government with adequate wildfire prevention and control resources and develop interstate/interagency cooperative agreements necessary to combat wildfires effectively; and </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>vi. INCREASE LOCAL INVOLVEMENT & ACCOUNTABILITY: </strong>Ensure state-based public land management activities are consistent with local government plans, policies, and objectives; and </span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>vii. PROTECT USE RIGHTS: </strong>Protect all valid existing rights and multiple uses, and enhance the viability of compatible, land-based livelihoods; and </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>viii. PRESERVE CUSTOMS & CULTURE: </strong>Preserve and protect important wild, scenic, cultural and economic resources; and </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>ix. INCORPORATE FEDERAL AGENCY EXPERTISE: </strong>Seek to utilize federal expertise and research through employment and/or cooperative agreements; and </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5D5D5D"><span style="font-family: inherit"><strong>x. GENERATE SELF-SUPPORTING FINANCE: </strong>Foster compatible economic productivity to support essential government services such as local roads, utilities, emergency services, public health and safety, education, justice, and other civic functions while reducing tax burdens on citizens nationally and offsetting federal Payment in Lieu of Taxes and Secure Rural Schools funds. </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gst, post: 177126, member: 373"] And on it goes. Once again plainsman has been shown the actual links ot the facts that the govt intended these lands to be dispersed to fund community growth and educational development. He has been shown links where ranchers themselves are advocating better management of these grasslands. Yet he CHOOSES to bear false witness in what he posts. [B][URL="http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=174042#p1052514"]Re: Deer rifle license are out[/URL][/B] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1052514#p1052514"][IMG]http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/styles/prosilver/imageset/icon_post_target.gif[/IMG][/URL]by [B][URL="http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=995"]Plainsman[/URL][/B] » Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:38 pm[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT='inherit']For the future of hunting pay attention to the American Land Council. I am betting every one of those radicals in Oregon who wanted land back that they were once paid for belonged to the American Land Council. Here is a statement of their goals:CODE: [URL="http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=174042#"]SELECT ALL[/URL]The clear solution to federal mismanagement of our public lands is to transfer some of these lands to willing states so that meaningful, sustainable reforms can be instituted by the people who care about proper management of these lands the most. The United States Constitution (Art 4, Sec 3, Clause 2) grants Congress the Power to transfer public lands to the States. Here read it for yourself: [URL]http://www.americanlandscouncil.org/our_mission[/URL] Here is their strategy. Transfer it to the states where they can get their hands on it. Better management to them means they get to post it so you can't hunt it. People are always looking for ways to enhance their own pocketbooks. [COLOR=#ff0000]They can't stand to see the feds leaving a head of grass on public land.[/COLOR] They can't stand seeing people hunt it without paying. Their measure of value is the thickness of their wallet. Some would want you to believe they just want to help us out. Supporting them would be like chickens supporting Colonel Sanders. They talk a good talk because they know what the average citizen wants to hear. Talk to a member once. They will start talking about how states were given land to sell to support schools. Now that may be partially true, but once sold it no longer supports schools.[COLOR=#FF0000] I think the idea was the state keeps the lands they were given and uses the rent to support schools then they have school support forever. [/COLOR]I think what happened was it was easier and cheaper to corrupt local and state. Well, perhaps not easier, I would guess U S Senators are much more expensive to get in the pocket.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]"Total tolerance is not a virtue, it is a total lack of principles". Plainsman [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff][SIZE=3]Plainsman, how can you take at face value one portion of the ALC mission statement..........yet deny what their policy statement is? 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[/B][B]WE SUPPORT EXCLUDING EXISTING NATIONAL PARKS, CONGRESSIONALLY DESIGNATED WILDERNESS AREAS, INDIAN RESERVATIONS, AND MILITARY INSTALLATIONS FROM THE TRANSFER; AND [/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][B]3. [/B][B]WE SUPPORT EQUIPPING FEDERAL, STATE, AND LOCAL AGENCIES WITH RESOURCES NECESSARY TO PLAN FOR A SUCCESSFUL TRANSITION TO STATE-BASED OWNERSHIP AND MANAGEMENT OF THE TRANSFERRED PUBLIC LANDS; AND [/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][B]4. [/B][B]WE URGE MANAGEMENT PRIORITIES FOR THESE LANDS THAT WILL: [/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][COLOR=#ff0000][B]i. IMPROVE PUBLIC ACCESS: [/B]Protect public access, rights of way, and multiple-uses on public lands for all people including sportsmen, tourists, recreational users, subsistence and sustenance activities, and emergency access; and [/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][COLOR=#ff0000][B]ii. IMPROVE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH: [/B]Reduce catastrophic wildfire fuel loads that threaten communities, infrastructure, watersheds, critical wildlife habitat, and our environment. Facilitate restoration of healthy forests, range lands, and waterways; an[/COLOR]d [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][B]iii. IMPROVE ECONOMIC PRODUCTIVITY: [/B]Secure jobs and economic growth through responsible natural resource stewardship and use including tourism and recreational opportunities; and [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][COLOR=#ff0000][B]iv. RETAIN PUBLIC OWNERSHIP OF PUBLIC LANDS: [/B]Federal public lands shall become state public lands to be managed in accordance with state and local plans; and [/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][B]v. IMPROVE EFFICIENCY OF WILDFIRE CONTROL: [/B]Provide state, local, and tribal government with adequate wildfire prevention and control resources and develop interstate/interagency cooperative agreements necessary to combat wildfires effectively; and [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][B]vi. INCREASE LOCAL INVOLVEMENT & ACCOUNTABILITY: [/B]Ensure state-based public land management activities are consistent with local government plans, policies, and objectives; and [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][B]vii. PROTECT USE RIGHTS: [/B]Protect all valid existing rights and multiple uses, and enhance the viability of compatible, land-based livelihoods; and [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][B]viii. PRESERVE CUSTOMS & CULTURE: [/B]Preserve and protect important wild, scenic, cultural and economic resources; and [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][B]ix. INCORPORATE FEDERAL AGENCY EXPERTISE: [/B]Seek to utilize federal expertise and research through employment and/or cooperative agreements; and [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5D5D5D][FONT='inherit'][B]x. GENERATE SELF-SUPPORTING FINANCE: [/B]Foster compatible economic productivity to support essential government services such as local roads, utilities, emergency services, public health and safety, education, justice, and other civic functions while reducing tax burdens on citizens nationally and offsetting federal Payment in Lieu of Taxes and Secure Rural Schools funds. [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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