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<blockquote data-quote="PrairieGhost" data-source="post: 177170" data-attributes="member: 704">It changed things.&nbsp; There could be no wild bison herds.&nbsp; There were no white tail in our area until agriculture.&nbsp; Score one against and one for.&nbsp; I think the point of wildlife lives in spite of means they adapt or die.&nbsp; Lets look at a section of native prairie 200 years ago.&nbsp; What was there in my area right around Jamestown.&nbsp; Bison, antelope, plains grizzly, elk this list goes on.&nbsp; Where did they go?&nbsp; It wasn't all agriculture, but they don't exist here today.&nbsp; We have to go back to the base populations to say if or not agriculture benefits wildlife.On the other hand a landowner who actually practices conservation absolutely benefits wildlife more than a landowner who does not.&nbsp; Yes wildlife in general does live in spite of agriculture, but we are all to blame because we all want to eat.&nbsp; So one can't point a finger without some guilt of their own.&nbsp; The only finger pointing can be at the dirt miners, not the conservation farmer.Edit:&nbsp; Ooops I missed your humor Kurtr.&nbsp; Good one.&nbsp;&nbsp; I just have to reread the article to see where that was again.&nbsp; Sort of like me calling someone liberal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="PrairieGhost, post: 177170, member: 704"] It changed things. There could be no wild bison herds. There were no white tail in our area until agriculture. Score one against and one for. I think the point of wildlife lives in spite of means they adapt or die. Lets look at a section of native prairie 200 years ago. What was there in my area right around Jamestown. Bison, antelope, plains grizzly, elk this list goes on. Where did they go? It wasn't all agriculture, but they don't exist here today. We have to go back to the base populations to say if or not agriculture benefits wildlife. On the other hand a landowner who actually practices conservation absolutely benefits wildlife more than a landowner who does not. Yes wildlife in general does live in spite of agriculture, but we are all to blame because we all want to eat. So one can't point a finger without some guilt of their own. The only finger pointing can be at the dirt miners, not the conservation farmer. Edit: Ooops I missed your humor Kurtr. Good one. I just have to reread the article to see where that was again. Sort of like me calling someone liberal. [/QUOTE]

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