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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 183622" data-attributes="member: 373">Hey, that's all fine and good until man stuck his finger in the pot and stirred it up. So should we simply ignore the risk to these rural communities withing these areas from fires due to mismangement? In previous threads, one I believe in which you were involved I shared the facts of the changes that were pushed thru back in the 70's and 80;s by those with the ideologies they would save the spotted owl from logging. I would suggest anyone that beleives this has not had a bearing on the increase of the fire danger these communities face should probably go talk with them.- - - Updated - - -  Apres, THIS is why it is absolutely necessary to look at what has happened in other states with these designations. Things have changed dramatically since 1980 and I believe those on the Badlands Conservation Alliance know that. the original wilderness designation was suppose ot be 10 million acres..............there are now over 120 million designated as wilderness. the same orgs pushing those limits have also pushed ot have 620 million acres declared national monuments. the orgs that are often mentioned in here have figured out how to use the courts and their interpretations to accomplish their agendas and there have in fact been "partial" cuts to grazing allotments which when dealing in reality often force producers out of business. Given the producer has ot develop water and in many cases fence, these "partial" cuts to grazing allotments make it not economical to run cattle there so the lease expires. In a recent thread I shared a link to the proposals being considered for the management of the LMNG which included ones that had NO grazing. Those people behind that are the ones behind using these designations to implement their agendas. If not thru proper process, the courts. Contact each of these folks and let us know what they tell you.........hopefully it is something a little better than a 1980s copy and paste.- - - Updated - - -Just leave Smokey Bear the hell out of it.</blockquote>

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