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<blockquote data-quote="PrairieGhost" data-source="post: 102148" data-attributes="member: 704">I will second Kurts remarks about damage cleaning.&nbsp; I will say it's different with different barrels.&nbsp; I don't know why but those Bartlein don't need to be cleaned often.&nbsp; It also depends on how much you shoot, the velocity of your loads, the grains of powder in each load etc.&nbsp; In my handguns Rugers lead up faster than Smith's which lead very little.&nbsp; Same with rifles.&nbsp; I switched barrels on my 308 for two reasons.&nbsp; Number one was that it was a 1/12 twist and would not stabilize 168 SMK subsonic.&nbsp; The other thing is although it had very little wear it had a very smooth bore, but built up copper fast.&nbsp; After cleaning it would not group until I fired a half dozen shots.&nbsp; So after cleaning it had to be shot before using for hunting.The other thing mentioned is cleaning equipment.&nbsp; Bore guides are a must.&nbsp; I still see people run cleaning rods down the muzzle.&nbsp; Bad idea.&nbsp; Of course some people are happy with a one inch group.&nbsp; I' m guessing Kurt and I would agree to dump a rifle that grouped over a half inch.&nbsp; Our scoped rifles that is.&nbsp; It's hard to judge my open sighg rifles because I can't shoot them well enough to judge them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="PrairieGhost, post: 102148, member: 704"] I will second Kurts remarks about damage cleaning. I will say it's different with different barrels. I don't know why but those Bartlein don't need to be cleaned often. It also depends on how much you shoot, the velocity of your loads, the grains of powder in each load etc. In my handguns Rugers lead up faster than Smith's which lead very little. Same with rifles. I switched barrels on my 308 for two reasons. Number one was that it was a 1/12 twist and would not stabilize 168 SMK subsonic. The other thing is although it had very little wear it had a very smooth bore, but built up copper fast. After cleaning it would not group until I fired a half dozen shots. So after cleaning it had to be shot before using for hunting. The other thing mentioned is cleaning equipment. Bore guides are a must. I still see people run cleaning rods down the muzzle. Bad idea. Of course some people are happy with a one inch group. I' m guessing Kurt and I would agree to dump a rifle that grouped over a half inch. Our scoped rifles that is. It's hard to judge my open sighg rifles because I can't shoot them well enough to judge them. [/QUOTE]

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