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Message: <blockquote data-quote="dean nelson" data-source="post: 232273" data-attributes="member: 1305">Mind you using areas like drake and annamoose as a barometer is not exactly the best location to pick. Up until about 2000 never saw Jack s*** for birds around that area. The Predators definitely take a toll but I'm pretty sure if someone makes a graph overall Predator numbers and places it next to Pheasant population Trends and then make a graph of overall pheasant populations and weather trends and I bet you'll find the second one has a hell of a lot more correlation to the Pheasant population than the first. As was already pointed out coyotes are generally good for ground-nesting bird population since they tend to knock down the other predators that go after the ground nesters with Fox being number one. Where as coyotes will eat a duck or a pheasant if they find it well they look for small mammals foxes will actually target them. These same arguments were played out at nauseam in the late nineties as well after a couple bad winters knocked the Pheasant population to hell and back people were screaming about too many hawks and coyote and one-legged mongooses or whatever the latest demon was to account for the down population instead of the obvious fact that we had some really crappy weather in it took a heavy toll.As for the people that talk about pheasants had to come from somewhere there for pen-raised birds will eventually work are leaving out the fact that pheasants originally came from relocated wildstock not pen-raised Birds. Relocated wildstock has a drastically higher success rate when being released into an area compared to pen-raised and that includes bringing them over from China in the first place. Now if you have good habitat and the proper climate and absolutely no birds then 3% success rate will be certainly drastically better than zero and you'll eventually get there unless they get wiped out by some secondary cause but if you have wild birds there it just doesn't pay to play the wild birds will get you back eventually and do it for a hell of a lot cheaper and faster.</blockquote>

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