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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bigv" data-source="post: 310016" data-attributes="member: 835">Kurt..do you have any proof of the recessive gene?  I'm not arguing just curious.  I run in a dog world around may area. Have 3 train, hunt etc. (btw Dokken lives a few miles from me) Anyway....no one has come up with where FOR  SURE the silver gene is from.  Many say recessive gene others say interbreeding.  Wondering if you have a link to something new??I personally know a kennel that introduced Wiems in their breeding years ago.- - - Updated - - -[h=3]#1 Mixed breeding[/h]Many people believe that the first silver Labs were crossbreeds.Not only is this theory plausible, there are clear motives for dog breeders to create a new color variation in an existing breed.Motives could include financial gain (though they couldn’t have known initially how popular the color would be), attention, or just the sheer fun of creating something new.<img src="https://www.thelabradorsite.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/silver-lab-puppy.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />Diane Welle of <a href="http://blueknightlabs.com/?s=silver" target="_blank">Blue Knight Labs</a> does not go quite so far as to directly accuse the breeders concerned[h=4]She wrote:[/h]“There have been accusations that these “rare” silver Labradors are actually a cross between a Labrador and a Weimaraner.I will let you be the judge, as there is no evidence at this time, one way or the other.However, it is interesting to note that Silver Labradors can be traced back to two breeders.Those breeders are Dean Crist (Culo) and Beaver Creek Labradors.Both of their lines trace back to Kellogg kennels (LE Kellogg and Harold E Kellogg) Kellogg Kennels began breeding Labradors in 1922.Guess what else they’re famous for breeding? They’re credited for the ‘rare’ pointing Labrador of course!”Her point is that ‘pointing’ is, of course, an HPR (hunt point retriever) trait, and Weimaraners are HPRs.An update to her original article, however, also notes that she previously claimed that Weimaraners were also bred in those same kennels, but found out that that fact was in doubt.I don't know the answer to this as there are many articles discussing dilute gene as well.  Most of the dog guys in my circle believe a combo.  Dilute because it came from somewhere else.  I guess it is important to note that labs come from the St. Johns dog.  Labs originally have several breeds intermixed to make the lab.  Including hounds, pointers etc so as Forest Gump says...Never know what youre gonna get!- - - Updated - - -oops I meant to copy this one not the previous.[h=3]Brandi Hunter, American Kennel Club Vice President, Public Relations and Communications[/h][h=5]JUNE 13, 2017[/h][FONT=&quot]According to the breed standard, established by the Labrador Retriever Club, Inc., there are three acceptable colors of Labrador Retrievers. Those colors are Black (all black), Yellow (fox-red to light cream), and Chocolate (light to dark chocolate). Silver is not an acceptable color of Labrador Retriever and is a disqualifying fault. Based on an agreement in 1987 between the American Kennel Club and the LRC, it was agreed that there was no proof that these silver dogs were not purebred and the breeders of the silver dogs subsequently registered them as chocolates.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Using parentage testing, it cannot conclusively be proven that silver Labradors are not purebred dogs or  are crossed with Weimaraners. The Labrador Retriever breed does not carry the dilute gene dd that appears universally in the Weimaraner and is responsible for silver color.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Responsible breeders are tasked with breeding for health and standard and not solely for aesthetic. While we respect the choice of pet owners to select the breed of their choice, the LRC, Inc. does not view silver Labradors as appropriate breeding stock and believes that they should not be bred. They may compete in AKC events but are disqualified from the conformation show ring.[/FONT]</blockquote>

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