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<blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 93663" data-attributes="member: 373">I have no issue with MJ being legalized for medical use and would support that measure. It will likely be abused much like other prescription drugs.Those claiming recreational use of MJ is just smoking a plant and does no harm need to talk with those that deal with the impacts to society and addicts themselves before making that claim. Back when prohibition of alcohol and temperance movement failed this nation/govt realized people needed/demanded a vice. Alcohol was the vice chosen to legalize. It doesn;t make it any less damaging than any other drug. Just legal. And yet the impacts of alcohol use/abuse have not gone away. So why does anyone think the consequences of drug abuse will go away once legal?No matter what is legalized, there will ALWAYS be another drug that is sought . MJ has been proven to be a gateway drug to those as people chase that high with more powerful drugs. Most addicts admit to trying other drugs while high on pot. And there are those that will push to continue to legalize ALL drugs using the very same justifications being used to legalize MJ. We can look to what has happened in other countries that have gone this path over the last few decades to learn. Most all are back tracking in some manner because of consequences they have found . <a href="http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/debate/myths/myths4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/debate/myths/myths4.htm</a>Supporters point to Portugal for data showing decreases in drug usage from 2001 but there is not economic data to correlate with it. At what cost does drug legalization &quot;work&quot;?Taxing the hell out of something only creates a black market. Prohibition proved that. So you trade one law enforcement nightmare for another. Legalizing without taxes creates the responsibility to deal economically with the costs of usage and addiction. Who pays for that? Drug users that are nonproductive or others? Indeed those same people now pay for the &quot;war&quot; on drugs as well, so it will take a shift of changing peoples ideals. Who on here is willing to pay higher taxes to cover the cost of LEGAL drug usage?We complain about paying for some gal with her professional&nbsp; hair braided and 3 inch nails done talking on a cell phone standing in line with steak and lobster in her cart with an EBT card in her hand. Now we are supposed to gladly pay for her 11 kids legalized drug usage costs to society as well? If you wish to argue for legalizing recreational pot at least don;t blow smoke up peoples ass about what the costs and incremental impacts are going to be.- - - Updated - - -<a href="http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/20/7-harmful-side-effects-pot-legalization-caused-colorado/" target="_blank">http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/20/7-harmful-side-effects-pot-legalization-caused-colorado/</a>7 Harmful Side Effects Pot Legalization Has Caused in Colorado&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <img src="http://dailysignal.com/wp-content/uploads/140818_Marijuana_Cully-385x200.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Photo: Kesneme/Creative Commons&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Commentary By&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://dailysignal.com/author/cstimson/" target="_blank">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; </a><a href="http://dailysignal.com/author/cstimson/" target="_blank">n</a>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://twitter.com/cullystimson" target="_blank">@cullystimson</a>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Charles &quot;Cully&quot; D. Stimson is a leading expert&nbsp; in criminal law, military law, military commissions and detention&nbsp; policy at The Heritage Foundation's Center for Legal and Judicial&nbsp; Studies. <a href="http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/s/charles-cully-stimson" target="_blank">Read his research.</a>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; There is more bad news out of Colorado regarding the negative impact of marijuana legalization.&nbsp;As I <a href="http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/08/traffic-fatalities-marijuana-positive-drivers-rise-colorado/" target="_blank">reported</a>&nbsp; a few weeks ago, some professors published a peer-reviewed article on&nbsp; the negative social costs to outright legalization. I noted that&nbsp; although overall traffic fatalities in Colorado have gone down since&nbsp; 2007, they went up by 100 percent for operators testing positive for&nbsp; marijuana—from 39 in 2007 to 78 in 2012. (Colorado legalized marijuana&nbsp; for medical usage in 2009, before legalizing marijuana for other uses in&nbsp; 2012.) Furthermore, in 2007, those pot-positive drivers represented&nbsp; only 7 percent of total fatalities in Colorado, but in 2012 they&nbsp; represented 16 percent of total Colorado fatalities.&nbsp;Now, there is even more proof from Colorado that legalizing pot, as I have <a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/09/legalizing-marijuana-why-citizens-should-just-say-no" target="_blank">argued</a> before, is terrible public policy.&nbsp;This new report paints an even bleaker picture of what is happening&nbsp; in Colorado since it legalized the possession, sale, and consumption of&nbsp; marijuana.&nbsp;According to the new <a href="http://www.rmhidta.org/html/August%202014%20Legalization%20of%20MJ%20in%20Colorado%20the%20Impact.pdf" target="_blank">report</a>&nbsp; by the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area entitled&nbsp; “The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado: The Impact,” the impact of&nbsp; legalized marijuana in Colorado has resulted in:1. The majority of DUI drug arrests involve marijuana and 25 to 40 percent were marijuana alone.
 2. In 2012, 10.47 percent of Colorado youth ages 12 to 17 were&nbsp; considered current marijuana users compared to 7.55 percent nationally.&nbsp; Colorado ranked fourth in the nation, and was 39 percent higher than the&nbsp; national average.
 3. Drug-related student suspensions/expulsions increased 32 percent&nbsp; from school years 2008-09 through 2012-13, the vast majority were for&nbsp; marijuana violations.
 4. In 2012, 26.81 percent of college age students were considered&nbsp; current marijuana users compared to 18.89 percent nationally, which&nbsp; ranks Colorado third in the nation and 42 percent above the national&nbsp; average.
 5. In 2013, 48.4 percent of Denver adult arrestees tested positive for marijuana, which is a 16 percent increase from 2008.
 6. From 2011 through 2013 there was a 57 percent increase in marijuana-related emergency room visits.
 7. Hospitalizations related to marijuana has increased 82 percent since 2008.
The <a href="http://www.rmhidta.org/html/August%202014%20Legalization%20of%20MJ%20in%20Colorado%20the%20Impact.pdf" target="_blank">report</a>&nbsp; includes other data about the negative effect of legalizing marijuana&nbsp; in Colorado, including marijuana-related exposure to children,&nbsp; treatment, the flood of marijuana in and out of Colorado, the dangers of&nbsp; pot extraction labs and other disturbing factual trends.&nbsp;Don’t expect this data to impact the push to legalize pot in&nbsp; Colorado, or elsewhere for that matter. Big pot is big business, and the&nbsp; push to legalize is really all about profit, despite inconvenient&nbsp; facts.&nbsp;Drug policy should be based on hard science and reliable data. And&nbsp; the data coming out of Colorado points to one and only one conclusion:&nbsp; the legalization of marijuana in the state is terrible public policy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gst, post: 93663, member: 373"] I have no issue with MJ being legalized for medical use and would support that measure. It will likely be abused much like other prescription drugs. Those claiming recreational use of MJ is just smoking a plant and does no harm need to talk with those that deal with the impacts to society and addicts themselves before making that claim. Back when prohibition of alcohol and temperance movement failed this nation/govt realized people needed/demanded a vice. Alcohol was the vice chosen to legalize. It doesn;t make it any less damaging than any other drug. Just legal. And yet the impacts of alcohol use/abuse have not gone away. So why does anyone think the consequences of drug abuse will go away once legal? No matter what is legalized, there will ALWAYS be another drug that is sought . MJ has been proven to be a gateway drug to those as people chase that high with more powerful drugs. Most addicts admit to trying other drugs while high on pot. And there are those that will push to continue to legalize ALL drugs using the very same justifications being used to legalize MJ. We can look to what has happened in other countries that have gone this path over the last few decades to learn. Most all are back tracking in some manner because of consequences they have found . [URL]http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/debate/myths/myths4.htm[/URL] Supporters point to Portugal for data showing decreases in drug usage from 2001 but there is not economic data to correlate with it. At what cost does drug legalization "work"? Taxing the hell out of something only creates a black market. Prohibition proved that. So you trade one law enforcement nightmare for another. Legalizing without taxes creates the responsibility to deal economically with the costs of usage and addiction. Who pays for that? Drug users that are nonproductive or others? Indeed those same people now pay for the "war" on drugs as well, so it will take a shift of changing peoples ideals. Who on here is willing to pay higher taxes to cover the cost of LEGAL drug usage? We complain about paying for some gal with her professional hair braided and 3 inch nails done talking on a cell phone standing in line with steak and lobster in her cart with an EBT card in her hand. Now we are supposed to gladly pay for her 11 kids legalized drug usage costs to society as well? If you wish to argue for legalizing recreational pot at least don;t blow smoke up peoples ass about what the costs and incremental impacts are going to be. [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] [url]http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/20/7-harmful-side-effects-pot-legalization-caused-colorado/[/url] [B]7 Harmful Side Effects Pot Legalization Has Caused in Colorado[/B] [IMG]http://dailysignal.com/wp-content/uploads/140818_Marijuana_Cully-385x200.jpg[/IMG] Photo: Kesneme/Creative Commons [B]Commentary By[/B] [URL="http://dailysignal.com/author/cstimson/"] [/URL][URL="http://dailysignal.com/author/cstimson/"]n[/URL] [URL="http://twitter.com/cullystimson"]@cullystimson[/URL] Charles "Cully" D. Stimson is a leading expert in criminal law, military law, military commissions and detention policy at The Heritage Foundation's Center for Legal and Judicial Studies. [URL="http://www.heritage.org/about/staff/s/charles-cully-stimson"]Read his research.[/URL] There is more bad news out of Colorado regarding the negative impact of marijuana legalization. As I [URL="http://dailysignal.com/2014/08/08/traffic-fatalities-marijuana-positive-drivers-rise-colorado/"]reported[/URL] a few weeks ago, some professors published a peer-reviewed article on the negative social costs to outright legalization. I noted that although overall traffic fatalities in Colorado have gone down since 2007, they went up by 100 percent for operators testing positive for marijuana—from 39 in 2007 to 78 in 2012. (Colorado legalized marijuana for medical usage in 2009, before legalizing marijuana for other uses in 2012.) Furthermore, in 2007, those pot-positive drivers represented only 7 percent of total fatalities in Colorado, but in 2012 they represented 16 percent of total Colorado fatalities. Now, there is even more proof from Colorado that legalizing pot, as I have [URL="http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/09/legalizing-marijuana-why-citizens-should-just-say-no"]argued[/URL] before, is terrible public policy. This new report paints an even bleaker picture of what is happening in Colorado since it legalized the possession, sale, and consumption of marijuana. According to the new [URL="http://www.rmhidta.org/html/August%202014%20Legalization%20of%20MJ%20in%20Colorado%20the%20Impact.pdf"]report[/URL] by the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area entitled “The Legalization of Marijuana in Colorado: The Impact,” the impact of legalized marijuana in Colorado has resulted in:[INDENT]1. The majority of DUI drug arrests involve marijuana and 25 to 40 percent were marijuana alone. 2. In 2012, 10.47 percent of Colorado youth ages 12 to 17 were considered current marijuana users compared to 7.55 percent nationally. Colorado ranked fourth in the nation, and was 39 percent higher than the national average. 3. Drug-related student suspensions/expulsions increased 32 percent from school years 2008-09 through 2012-13, the vast majority were for marijuana violations. 4. In 2012, 26.81 percent of college age students were considered current marijuana users compared to 18.89 percent nationally, which ranks Colorado third in the nation and 42 percent above the national average. 5. In 2013, 48.4 percent of Denver adult arrestees tested positive for marijuana, which is a 16 percent increase from 2008. 6. From 2011 through 2013 there was a 57 percent increase in marijuana-related emergency room visits. 7. Hospitalizations related to marijuana has increased 82 percent since 2008. [/INDENT] The [URL="http://www.rmhidta.org/html/August%202014%20Legalization%20of%20MJ%20in%20Colorado%20the%20Impact.pdf"]report[/URL] includes other data about the negative effect of legalizing marijuana in Colorado, including marijuana-related exposure to children, treatment, the flood of marijuana in and out of Colorado, the dangers of pot extraction labs and other disturbing factual trends. Don’t expect this data to impact the push to legalize pot in Colorado, or elsewhere for that matter. Big pot is big business, and the push to legalize is really all about profit, despite inconvenient facts. Drug policy should be based on hard science and reliable data. And the data coming out of Colorado points to one and only one conclusion: the legalization of marijuana in the state is terrible public policy. [/QUOTE]

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