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<blockquote data-quote="Bauer" data-source="post: 274927" data-attributes="member: 775">Thank you all.I do have an underground fence, but he still has 1.5acre to work with. He does know when the collar is on vs off and is a different dog respectively. I dont care to deal with the dog door/mouse entrance/loss of heat situation so he is in the house, crate trained to be in it while we are gone and at night while sleeping.I do have a shock collar, also an attitude adjuster when it is on vs off. I have had good luck with it with all aspects except the ball issue. I will just have be more consistent with using it now that I know I am on the right track. Any nicks/zaps with the ball involved doesn't induce a change, just a tighter grip on the ball. I may have to go to the check cord for that. Taking away the ball doesnt seem to be an eye opener for him. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to use the collar properly with the ball to get more direct results? Do I attempt to remove it from his mouth while shocking him? etc?Also, when taking away the ball, do I just muscle it out of his jaw and put it away or do I follow a process to get it away without him thinking we are still playing.Thank you again, some very helpful tips re-enforcing what I was afraid of.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bauer, post: 274927, member: 775"] Thank you all. I do have an underground fence, but he still has 1.5acre to work with. He does know when the collar is on vs off and is a different dog respectively. I dont care to deal with the dog door/mouse entrance/loss of heat situation so he is in the house, crate trained to be in it while we are gone and at night while sleeping. I do have a shock collar, also an attitude adjuster when it is on vs off. I have had good luck with it with all aspects except the ball issue. I will just have be more consistent with using it now that I know I am on the right track. Any nicks/zaps with the ball involved doesn't induce a change, just a tighter grip on the ball. I may have to go to the check cord for that. Taking away the ball doesnt seem to be an eye opener for him. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to use the collar properly with the ball to get more direct results? Do I attempt to remove it from his mouth while shocking him? etc? Also, when taking away the ball, do I just muscle it out of his jaw and put it away or do I follow a process to get it away without him thinking we are still playing. Thank you again, some very helpful tips re-enforcing what I was afraid of. [/QUOTE]

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