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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lycanthrope" data-source="post: 157570" data-attributes="member: 562"><p>Valiant arent red, they are dark blue, almost black. Its not too hard to propagate your own vines if you are interested. I could also make you a few as long as they arent patented. Im going to be building a few new grape trellises this spring, 3, 200ft long ones, maybe trade some vines for labor... Could be a learning experience also, Im near menoken also... Ive tried sommerset and wasnt able to keep them alive. Havent tried Petite Pearl, I do have someone sending me "king of the north" this spring to try also, but Ive read they can be VERY vigorous and hard to control.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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