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<blockquote data-quote="PrairieGhost" data-source="post: 189190" data-attributes="member: 704">Oh, ok.&nbsp; I guess I have never seen a mil adjustment without mil dots.&nbsp; Who makes those, and why? What's the reason for having such an adjustment if it doesn't incorporate into the ranging system? I like the finer adjustment for small targets at long range.&nbsp; The way it is 1/4 inch click is often high and one click down is low on small targets at even 800 yards.&nbsp; One click for minute of angle is 1/4 inch while 1/10 mil is .36 inch. &nbsp;I agree mil dots are obsolete, with the marine mil dots system going obsolete first.&nbsp; I would have to carry a calculator for a fast estimate of antler width and height.&nbsp; I guess if it's a half mil it's 18 inches wide at 500 yards which is easy, but .3 mils at 775 yards kind of clogs up my two brain cells.&nbsp; It takes a minute for me to come up with 27.9 inches. In my mind I have to first convert the mil to inches because even mil dots use the same measuring system.&nbsp; A mil is 3.6 inches at each 100 yard increment.&nbsp; It's just one more un-needed step.&nbsp; Maybe one of the guys in the military can chime in and bring us up to speed because I see new battle reticles that are not mil dot.:;:thumbsup Years ago when we didn't have civilian mil dots I would set pumpkins at every 100 yards out to 600 yards.&nbsp; Then I would wrap white tape around my power ring on my 3X9 scope&nbsp; I sighted in at 200 yards and the post of the duplex crosshair hit at 300 yards on 9 power.&nbsp; Then I would move back to 400 yards and adjust my power until the duplex hit at 400 yards. I would write my yardages in red.&nbsp; Then I took a four inch plastic pipe 18 inches long (about the size of the average buck belly to back) and screwed it to a wooden stake.&nbsp; &nbsp; I set my scope on 3X and walked back until the pipe from top to bottom fit in between the crosshair and duplex post.&nbsp; Then 4X, then 5X and so on.&nbsp; I measured each of these out and wrote the yardages on my white tape in blue ink.&nbsp; If I can remember the 18 inch pipe fit at about 200 yards on 9X.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="PrairieGhost, post: 189190, member: 704"] Oh, ok. I guess I have never seen a mil adjustment without mil dots. Who makes those, and why? What's the reason for having such an adjustment if it doesn't incorporate into the ranging system? I like the finer adjustment for small targets at long range. The way it is 1/4 inch click is often high and one click down is low on small targets at even 800 yards. One click for minute of angle is 1/4 inch while 1/10 mil is .36 inch. I agree mil dots are obsolete, with the marine mil dots system going obsolete first. I would have to carry a calculator for a fast estimate of antler width and height. I guess if it's a half mil it's 18 inches wide at 500 yards which is easy, but .3 mils at 775 yards kind of clogs up my two brain cells. It takes a minute for me to come up with 27.9 inches. In my mind I have to first convert the mil to inches because even mil dots use the same measuring system. A mil is 3.6 inches at each 100 yard increment. It's just one more un-needed step. Maybe one of the guys in the military can chime in and bring us up to speed because I see new battle reticles that are not mil dot. :;:thumbsup Years ago when we didn't have civilian mil dots I would set pumpkins at every 100 yards out to 600 yards. Then I would wrap white tape around my power ring on my 3X9 scope I sighted in at 200 yards and the post of the duplex crosshair hit at 300 yards on 9 power. Then I would move back to 400 yards and adjust my power until the duplex hit at 400 yards. I would write my yardages in red. Then I took a four inch plastic pipe 18 inches long (about the size of the average buck belly to back) and screwed it to a wooden stake. I set my scope on 3X and walked back until the pipe from top to bottom fit in between the crosshair and duplex post. Then 4X, then 5X and so on. I measured each of these out and wrote the yardages on my white tape in blue ink. If I can remember the 18 inch pipe fit at about 200 yards on 9X. [/QUOTE]

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