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<blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 84055" data-attributes="member: 373">Ghost my apologies, I should have put a little winking icon behind that statement or perhaps the &quot;sarcasm&quot; warning. . It stems from a meeting I attended in Minot on the USF&amp;WS&nbsp; listing those two butterflies as endangered. The gal speaking was very articulate and had lots of statistics. She claimed that these two butterflies must be kept from going extinct and they (the govt) must control mans impact to save them. When she was done I posed two questions' 1. Given they fact they admitted that these butterflies had not been documented here in ND for at least a decade, what negative effects could she share happening because of their removal from the ecosystem? 2. How do we know that given the hundreds of thousands if not millions of species that went extinct before mankind's existance and impact on this planet(if that is what you believe) how do we know keeping these two butterflies from going extinct is not messing with natures natural progression? She got a pretty funny look on her face and I never got an answer for either question. The point is, a lot of times it is the same &quot;science&quot; behind these decisions, and that type of &quot;science&quot; can have very serious consequences if allowed to be driven by agendas rather than actual science.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gst, post: 84055, member: 373"] Ghost my apologies, I should have put a little winking icon behind that statement or perhaps the "sarcasm" warning. . It stems from a meeting I attended in Minot on the USF&WS listing those two butterflies as endangered. The gal speaking was very articulate and had lots of statistics. She claimed that these two butterflies must be kept from going extinct and they (the govt) must control mans impact to save them. When she was done I posed two questions' 1. Given they fact they admitted that these butterflies had not been documented here in ND for at least a decade, what negative effects could she share happening because of their removal from the ecosystem? 2. How do we know that given the hundreds of thousands if not millions of species that went extinct before mankind's existance and impact on this planet(if that is what you believe) how do we know keeping these two butterflies from going extinct is not messing with natures natural progression? She got a pretty funny look on her face and I never got an answer for either question. The point is, a lot of times it is the same "science" behind these decisions, and that type of "science" can have very serious consequences if allowed to be driven by agendas rather than actual science. [/QUOTE]

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