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<blockquote data-quote="KDM" data-source="post: 84120" data-attributes="member: 314">I can't argue that white tail deer numbers are up or down anywhere in the state as there is almost zero data to support for or against either position.&nbsp; For that matter neither can you.&nbsp; The NDGF hasn't done a survey for white tails in many years as I said so anything YOU OR I say would be purely a guess, which is pretty much what they do now.&nbsp; So everything about that part of your post is irrelevant to the lions in ND issue.&nbsp; Nice try at muddying the water with superfluous and meaningless verbal nothingness.The doe to fawn ratio has nothing to do with lions.&nbsp; It has to do with the number of fawn produced per each doe across an area.&nbsp; Does killed by lions can't and won't be included in any such study as they are dead, so I'm not to sure why you felt that was relevant to your argument.&nbsp; Are you trying to say that lions increase the fawn to doe ratio??You STILL haven't shown me the benefits to sportsmen by having lions in ND.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KDM, post: 84120, member: 314"] I can't argue that white tail deer numbers are up or down anywhere in the state as there is almost zero data to support for or against either position. For that matter neither can you. The NDGF hasn't done a survey for white tails in many years as I said so anything YOU OR I say would be purely a guess, which is pretty much what they do now. So everything about that part of your post is irrelevant to the lions in ND issue. Nice try at muddying the water with superfluous and meaningless verbal nothingness. The doe to fawn ratio has nothing to do with lions. It has to do with the number of fawn produced per each doe across an area. Does killed by lions can't and won't be included in any such study as they are dead, so I'm not to sure why you felt that was relevant to your argument. Are you trying to say that lions increase the fawn to doe ratio?? You STILL haven't shown me the benefits to sportsmen by having lions in ND. [/QUOTE]

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