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<blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 177061" data-attributes="member: 373"><p><img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> In your haste to bash on ranchers plains you once again are giving us a look at the liberal slanting websites you read. </p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.revealnews.org/" target="_blank">https://www.revealnews.org/</a></p><p></p><p> The Sierra Club, Back Country Hunters and Anglers,.....HSUS........</p><p></p><p>Yet you claim a conservative org that is actually doing relief efforts is the "Posse Comitatus"............;:;banghead</p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And that folks is the govt ideology at work.......remove the things that help prevent catastrophic fires from these lands in an attempt to "save" them. </p><p></p><p>How many years did you get tax payer dollars as a govt employee plains?</p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>plains from your link.........you seem to embrace this radical environmental ideology more and more. Perhaps it is ones true colors showing.....what's that saying about a leopard and is spots.....</p><p></p><p><em>"<span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'">Environmentalists derided the ranchers as drought deniers who nevertheless want a government handout for drought relief.</span></em><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"><em>“It’s another example of the hypocrisy,” said Laura Leigh, founder of<span style="font-size: 12px"><strong> Wild Horse Education, a Reno nonprofit t</strong></span>hat seeks to protect wild horses on the Nevada range. “They want to run full numbers (of cattle) and claim there’s no drought, and they want to collect drought subsidies besides.”</em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"><em></em><a href="https://wildhorseeducation.org/" target="_blank">https://wildhorseeducation.org/</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>again from plainsmans link.........</p><p></p><p><em>"<span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'">Katie Fite of the <span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>environmental group WildLands Defense</strong></span> said the range around Battle Mountain is “devastated and needs significant rest” from the ranchers’ activities.</span></em><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"><em>“They truly think they are the lords of yesteryear and the public lands are their own little fiefdom,” she said."</em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"><em></em></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'">Here is a little bit about this org you post comments from........</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"><a href="http://wildlandsdefense.org/thrill-kill-at-the-epa/" target="_blank">http://wildlandsdefense.org/thrill-kill-at-the-epa/</a></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'ff-meta-serif-web-pro'"></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"><em>WildLands Defense’s Katie Fite’s latest article in Counterpunch:</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"><em>EPA and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service regularly caved into toxic chemical purveyors in the Obama administration. The agencies have long been crippled. A prime example is authorizing the poison Rozol to kill black-tailed prairie dogs across 10 states. Animals die a slow and inhumane death. Non-target eagles, hawks, and other wildlife are exposed to the poison. <strong>A recent illegal Rozol application near the route of the Dakota Access Pipeline killed domestic bison</strong>. The cause of death of six bald eagles is being “investigated’.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"><em>The Trump Beachhead Team is gutting what remains of the agency’s regulatory controls, and striking fear into federal workers – thrill killing the legacy of a great woman scientist and writer, the founder of the environmental movement …</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"><em>And look at who’s helping do the Hands On Dirty Work –<strong> a former professional wildlife Killer and continuing Coyote Derby Thrill Killer.</strong></em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"><em><strong>Will a similar fate befall BLM?</strong></em></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>Annnnnddddd predictably plainsman shares links that use orgs with a similar theme to them.........</p><p></p><p><a href="http://wildlandsdefense.org/wld-issues/public-lands-ranching/" target="_blank">http://wildlandsdefense.org/wld-issues/public-lands-ranching/</a></p><p></p><p>"<strong><em>Public Lands Ranching</em></strong></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"><em>Public lands ranching is the most ubiquitous use of public lands in the country, occurring on over 250,000,000 acres of land, an area roughly the size of the states of California and Texas combined.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"><em>Whether you’re a public lands advocate, a wolf supporter, a bighorn sheep enthusiast, an angler or hunter, a <a href="http://buffalofieldcampaign.org/" target="_blank">Yellowstone buffalo activist</a>, a recreationist or in any way interested in public lands – the wholesale abuse of a quarter billion acres of your public land affects you.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"><em>Permit and lease renewal of grazing permits may not seem like the sexiest issue, but it’s where the rubber hits the road on a myriad of habitat and wildlife conservation issues. Public lands ranching is the source of habitat and wildlife conflict and every ten years the administrative permit/lease renewal process is one of a few opportunities the public and advocacy groups like WildLands Defense has a voice, and often actionable hook, to weigh in on management in favor of wolves, bighorns, fish, buffalo, pygmy rabbits, mountain springs and streams, etc. etc. etc. and where federal land managers are legally obliged to listen and consider the public’s concern.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>plains do these articles come in packets from your old govt job??</p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Plains says.........</strong></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><a href="http://nodakangler.com/forums/member.php?704-PrairieGhost" target="_blank">PrairieGhost</a> </span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><img src="http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/statusicon/user-online.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E">Ultimate VIP Member<img src="http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/Blue_Glow_Forum_Ranks_Ultimate_vip.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><a href="http://nodakangler.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=friend&u=704" target="_blank"><img src="http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/ozzmodz/friends/add_friend.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><img src="http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> <img src="http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> <img src="http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />Join DateMay 2015LocationDrifting the high plainsPosts2,148NDA Points10,480NDA Level44 <table style='width: 100%'><tr><td><strong>Thumbs Up</strong></td></tr><tr><td>Received: <span style="color: green">1,078</span> <br /> Given: <span style="color: green">1,333</span></td></tr></table><p>Classifieds<a href="http://nodakangler.com/forums/member.php?u=704&tab=classifieds#classifieds" target="_blank">1</a></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><span style="color: #333333"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The one north of Carrington makes you hold your nose. It would be unfair of the highway patrol to run radar there when people are trying to escape.</span></em></span></p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><em></em></span></p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><em></em></span></p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><span style="color: #333333"></p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><span style="color: #333333"></p></span></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><span style="color: #333333"><strong>It's kind of suspicious that these operations set up in water run off areas. I hear about all the precautions and would guess they are trying to do what they say, but what's the failure rate? Close to 100% over a 20 yeer period?</strong></p><p></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"><span style="color: #333333"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #3E3E3E"></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #333333"><p style="margin-left: 20px">Now your in my field of expertise. This fellow did his PhD rehabilitating a wetland in Minnesota: <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mark_Hanson3" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mark_Hanson3</a></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #333333"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #333333"><strong>Risk? It's not a risk it's a sure thing in an area with ground water integrated to the lake. All wetlands within the lower elevation ground water continuum will be affected with high nitrogen. People want sources I can give you sources and personal field experience, plus opinions I have been given by nationally known wetland ecologists and hydrologists. Pelican lake will be green in late June within a few years.</strong></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #333333"></p></span></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: #333333">You can dissolve the pig crap it's still high nitrogen. Y<strong>ou can put it in the ground and contaminate that for the next few hundred years.</strong></p><p></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><strong>Wildlands Defense says......... </strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p><strong>Nearly all surface waters in the West are fouled with livestock wastes that produce harmful waterborne bacteria and protozoa such as Giardia.</strong><span style="color: #666666"><span style="font-family: inherit"> Suk, T., J. L. Riggs, B. C. Nelson. 1986. Water contamination with giardia in backcountry areas in Proc. of the National Wilderness Conference. Gen. Tech. Rep. INT-212. USDA-Forest Service, Intermountain Res. Stn. Ogden, UT: 237-239. </span></span><strong>Livestock grazing is the single largest contributor to non-point source pollution in New Mexico, accounting for approximately 15 percent of the water quality impairments statewide.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gst, post: 177061, member: 373"] :) In your haste to bash on ranchers plains you once again are giving us a look at the liberal slanting websites you read. [URL]https://www.revealnews.org/[/URL] The Sierra Club, Back Country Hunters and Anglers,.....HSUS........ Yet you claim a conservative org that is actually doing relief efforts is the "Posse Comitatus"............;:;banghead [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] And that folks is the govt ideology at work.......remove the things that help prevent catastrophic fires from these lands in an attempt to "save" them. How many years did you get tax payer dollars as a govt employee plains? [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] plains from your link.........you seem to embrace this radical environmental ideology more and more. Perhaps it is ones true colors showing.....what's that saying about a leopard and is spots..... [I]"[FONT=ff-meta-serif-web-pro]Environmentalists derided the ranchers as drought deniers who nevertheless want a government handout for drought relief.[/FONT][/I][FONT=ff-meta-serif-web-pro][I]“It’s another example of the hypocrisy,” said Laura Leigh, founder of[SIZE=3][B] Wild Horse Education, a Reno nonprofit t[/B][/SIZE]hat seeks to protect wild horses on the Nevada range. “They want to run full numbers (of cattle) and claim there’s no drought, and they want to collect drought subsidies besides.” [/I][URL]https://wildhorseeducation.org/[/URL] [/FONT] [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] again from plainsmans link......... [I]"[FONT=ff-meta-serif-web-pro]Katie Fite of the [SIZE=3][B]environmental group WildLands Defense[/B][/SIZE] said the range around Battle Mountain is “devastated and needs significant rest” from the ranchers’ activities.[/FONT][/I][FONT=ff-meta-serif-web-pro][I]“They truly think they are the lords of yesteryear and the public lands are their own little fiefdom,” she said." [/I] Here is a little bit about this org you post comments from........ [URL]http://wildlandsdefense.org/thrill-kill-at-the-epa/[/URL] [/FONT] [COLOR=#666666][FONT='inherit'][I]WildLands Defense’s Katie Fite’s latest article in Counterpunch:[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#666666][FONT='inherit'][I]EPA and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service regularly caved into toxic chemical purveyors in the Obama administration. The agencies have long been crippled. A prime example is authorizing the poison Rozol to kill black-tailed prairie dogs across 10 states. Animals die a slow and inhumane death. Non-target eagles, hawks, and other wildlife are exposed to the poison. [B]A recent illegal Rozol application near the route of the Dakota Access Pipeline killed domestic bison[/B]. The cause of death of six bald eagles is being “investigated’.[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#666666][FONT='inherit'][I]The Trump Beachhead Team is gutting what remains of the agency’s regulatory controls, and striking fear into federal workers – thrill killing the legacy of a great woman scientist and writer, the founder of the environmental movement …[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#666666][FONT='inherit'][I]And look at who’s helping do the Hands On Dirty Work –[B] a former professional wildlife Killer and continuing Coyote Derby Thrill Killer.[/B][/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#666666][FONT='inherit'][I][B]Will a similar fate befall BLM?[/B][/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] Annnnnddddd predictably plainsman shares links that use orgs with a similar theme to them......... [URL]http://wildlandsdefense.org/wld-issues/public-lands-ranching/[/URL] "[B][I]Public Lands Ranching[/I][/B] [COLOR=#666666][FONT='inherit'][I]Public lands ranching is the most ubiquitous use of public lands in the country, occurring on over 250,000,000 acres of land, an area roughly the size of the states of California and Texas combined.[/I] [I]Whether you’re a public lands advocate, a wolf supporter, a bighorn sheep enthusiast, an angler or hunter, a [URL="http://buffalofieldcampaign.org/"]Yellowstone buffalo activist[/URL], a recreationist or in any way interested in public lands – the wholesale abuse of a quarter billion acres of your public land affects you.[/I] [I]Permit and lease renewal of grazing permits may not seem like the sexiest issue, but it’s where the rubber hits the road on a myriad of habitat and wildlife conservation issues. Public lands ranching is the source of habitat and wildlife conflict and every ten years the administrative permit/lease renewal process is one of a few opportunities the public and advocacy groups like WildLands Defense has a voice, and often actionable hook, to weigh in on management in favor of wolves, bighorns, fish, buffalo, pygmy rabbits, mountain springs and streams, etc. etc. etc. and where federal land managers are legally obliged to listen and consider the public’s concern.[/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] plains do these articles come in packets from your old govt job?? [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][B]Plains says.........[/B][/COLOR] [COLOR=#3E3E3E][URL="http://nodakangler.com/forums/member.php?704-PrairieGhost"]PrairieGhost[/URL] [IMG]http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/statusicon/user-online.png[/IMG] Ultimate VIP Member[IMG]http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/Blue_Glow_Forum_Ranks_Ultimate_vip.png[/IMG] [URL="http://nodakangler.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=friend&u=704"][IMG]http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/ozzmodz/friends/add_friend.png[/IMG][/URL] [IMG]http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://nodakangler.com/forums/images/reputation/reputation_pos.png[/IMG]Join DateMay 2015LocationDrifting the high plainsPosts2,148NDA Points10,480NDA Level44[TABLE] [TR] [TD][B]Thumbs Up[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD]Received: [COLOR=green]1,078[/COLOR] Given: [COLOR=green]1,333[/COLOR][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] Classifieds[URL="http://nodakangler.com/forums/member.php?u=704&tab=classifieds#classifieds"]1[/URL] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#3E3E3E][COLOR=#333333][INDENT][FONT=Tahoma][I][FONT=Verdana]The one north of Carrington makes you hold your nose. It would be unfair of the highway patrol to run radar there when people are trying to escape.[/FONT] [/I][/FONT] [B]It's kind of suspicious that these operations set up in water run off areas. I hear about all the precautions and would guess they are trying to do what they say, but what's the failure rate? Close to 100% over a 20 yeer period?[/B][/INDENT] [/COLOR] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][INDENT]Now your in my field of expertise. This fellow did his PhD rehabilitating a wetland in Minnesota: [URL]https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Mark_Hanson3[/URL] [B]Risk? It's not a risk it's a sure thing in an area with ground water integrated to the lake. All wetlands within the lower elevation ground water continuum will be affected with high nitrogen. People want sources I can give you sources and personal field experience, plus opinions I have been given by nationally known wetland ecologists and hydrologists. Pelican lake will be green in late June within a few years.[/B] You can dissolve the pig crap it's still high nitrogen. Y[B]ou can put it in the ground and contaminate that for the next few hundred years.[/B][/INDENT] [/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][B]Wildlands Defense says......... [/B][/COLOR] [B]Nearly all surface waters in the West are fouled with livestock wastes that produce harmful waterborne bacteria and protozoa such as Giardia.[/B][COLOR=#666666][FONT='inherit'] Suk, T., J. L. Riggs, B. C. Nelson. 1986. Water contamination with giardia in backcountry areas in Proc. of the National Wilderness Conference. Gen. Tech. Rep. INT-212. USDA-Forest Service, Intermountain Res. Stn. Ogden, UT: 237-239. [/FONT][/COLOR][B]Livestock grazing is the single largest contributor to non-point source pollution in New Mexico, accounting for approximately 15 percent of the water quality impairments statewide. [/B] [/QUOTE]
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