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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 177089" data-attributes="member: 373">Allen, one question...have you read both the links I have provided?  Especially this one? A simple yes or no will work. <a href="https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprd3818907.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE...prd3818907.pdf</a>Allen here is my statement you reference about investments of supplies and improvements. "Remember on these public lands the rancher who leases (often times long term 10 years) them is often times responsible for water and fencing. I'm sure their intent is to damage those grazing lands for the entire duration of their lease...................."there are differences between USFS and BLM lands as to what is provided and even within certain agencies there can be differences on each lease. Yes in some cases the USFS provides materials and in some cases even does the work But as you can see my comment was a generalized one towards all public lands. It also acknowledges in some cases the rancher does not make this outlay. Allen please before insinuating overgrazing on the grasslands (then backpedaling and saying you haven;t seen much the last 10-20 years) read the link I shared and you will find this statement within it. "SRT Response: As noted in the MCGA’s(Note: McKenzie County Grazing Association)original question, the SRT was not chargedwith determining the ecological status andtrend of the LMNG, and thus, our answer isstrictly our combined professional opinions.As to the functional status of ecologicalprocesses, that is an impossible question toanswer and of little if any relevance unlessecological conditions are poor, which is not thegeneral case for the LMNG. The SRT simplydid not find evidence that the generalecological condition and health of the LMNGwas being seriously damaged or compromised,as few if any areas appeared to be approachingan ecological threshold that would alterecological processes substantially andpermanently" note LMNG is the Little Missouri National Grasslands. If you wish to dwell more on claims of over grazing we certainly can, but how about we keep it to what is happening today and not 20 or 40 years ago.</blockquote>

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