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<blockquote data-quote="PrairieGhost" data-source="post: 329767" data-attributes="member: 704"><p>Some of those old Buffalo hunters could really reach out with a Sharp's and other old rifles.&nbsp; At the second battle of Adobe Walls and with a couple dozen witnesses Billy Dixon shot an Indian off his horse at 7/8 mile.&nbsp; Kurt how can you compare long range with penned animals.&nbsp; Long range requires skill that begins at the reloading bench.&nbsp; My scale tells me that it takes three kernels of Varget to move one tenth of a grain.&nbsp; I load one tenth heavy, then remove kernels with a tweezer until it drops a tenth of a grain.&nbsp; That ensures that all my loads are within 1/3 of a tenth grain.&nbsp; Of course cases begin with neck turning.&nbsp; It's much harder to set up a safe 1000 yard shot than a 200 yard shot.&nbsp; I have shot past larger bucks at 200 yards to kill smaller bucks at 1000 yards.&nbsp; Nearly any rifle with scope will take deer to 600 yards.&nbsp; I dont care if people shoot free range deer at 25 yards, but I want a challenge.&nbsp; Getting close is also a challenge and I satisfy that challenge with archery or blackpowder.&nbsp; Sometimes I keep my shots at around 500 with A Creedmoor tang sight on a falling block 45/70.&nbsp; I think the whole idea is a sporting chance and that isn't what high fence is about.&nbsp; The great thing about North Dakota and other states too is you can challenge yourself in multiple hunting scenarios.&nbsp; Long bow. compound. handgun, 18th century firearms, and modern weapons.&nbsp; Skill comes in many forms but comes down to stealth or shooting abilities.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="PrairieGhost, post: 329767, member: 704"] Some of those old Buffalo hunters could really reach out with a Sharp's and other old rifles. At the second battle of Adobe Walls and with a couple dozen witnesses Billy Dixon shot an Indian off his horse at 7/8 mile. Kurt how can you compare long range with penned animals. Long range requires skill that begins at the reloading bench. My scale tells me that it takes three kernels of Varget to move one tenth of a grain. I load one tenth heavy, then remove kernels with a tweezer until it drops a tenth of a grain. That ensures that all my loads are within 1/3 of a tenth grain. Of course cases begin with neck turning. It's much harder to set up a safe 1000 yard shot than a 200 yard shot. I have shot past larger bucks at 200 yards to kill smaller bucks at 1000 yards. Nearly any rifle with scope will take deer to 600 yards. I dont care if people shoot free range deer at 25 yards, but I want a challenge. Getting close is also a challenge and I satisfy that challenge with archery or blackpowder. Sometimes I keep my shots at around 500 with A Creedmoor tang sight on a falling block 45/70. I think the whole idea is a sporting chance and that isn't what high fence is about. The great thing about North Dakota and other states too is you can challenge yourself in multiple hunting scenarios. Long bow. compound. handgun, 18th century firearms, and modern weapons. Skill comes in many forms but comes down to stealth or shooting abilities. [/QUOTE]

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