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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 183598" data-attributes="member: 373">So which came first the chicken or the egg. If you do not manage forest health by logging, the fires that are not suppressed become catastrophic. The reference "catastrophic" is not my term, it is one used in fire and forest management circles. I have simply shared links to discussions by those professionals that use the term to describe levels of impact from these fires. Those same people have suggested wilderness designations which include access closures have indeed impacted the ability ot fight fires. The Mt legislature has at the request of those people in charge and others voted to implement a study into the impacts of the road closures on public lands in their state.- - - Updated - - -Here are the two sides to the issue. One believes management and lawsuits from environmentalists is causing the increase in forest fires and the other claims it is global warming. (note, the second group are the same people that think cow farts are causing storms like hurricane Harvey..................)  https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/16396-burning-up-the-west-feds-greens-cause-catastrophic-fireshttps://www.nwf.org/Wildlife/Threats-to-Wildlife/Global-Warming/Global-Warming-is-Causing-Extreme-Weather/Wildfires.aspx- - - Updated - - -Remember not all these Federal lands impacted by these fires are forested. An interesting read...http://www.ag.utah.gov/documents/CatFireFinalReport120213.pdf- - - Updated - - -Once again the mantra of those pushing the agendas not contributing any causation to the agenda......global warming is the devil.http://www.earth.columbia.edu/articles/view/3343[FONT=&quot]Fires in western forests began [/FONT]<a href="http://ulmo.ucmerced.edu/pdffiles/16RSTB_Westerling.pdf" target="_blank">increasing abruptly in the 1980s</a>[FONT=&quot], as measured by area burned, the number of large fires, and length of the fire season. The increases have continued, and recently scientists and public officials have in part [/FONT]<a href="http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2014/10/13/what-do-wildfires-have-to-do-with-climate-change/" target="_blank">blamed human-influenced climate change</a>[FONT=&quot]. The new study is perhaps the first to quantify that assertion. “A lot of people are throwing around the words climate change and fire—specifically, last year fire chiefs and the governor of California started calling this the ‘new normal,’ ” said lead author John Abatzoglou, a professor of geography at the University of Idaho. “We wanted to put some numbers on it.”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]funny though .............[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]The study does not cover western grasslands. These have seen more fires too, but there is little evidence that climate plays a role there, said Abatzoglou; rather, the spread of highly flammable invasive grasses appears to be the main driver.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]It is not climate change.........but still no mention of policy managment changes since the 80s impacting anything..........[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]- - - Updated - - -This is why I do not trust the people and orgs behind the agenda pushing these designations.</blockquote>

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