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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KDM" data-source="post: 440805" data-attributes="member: 314">1st line: Takes a rant to counter a rant.Lines 2-3: Prove that cwd is the causal agent in any of these locations.  Stating these populations are struggling due to cwd doesn't make it so.  How do we know these populations aren't struggling due to urban expansion, increased winter mortality, habitat loss, migrations, drought, or any number of other agents.Line 4-6: Speculation.  There is no evidence for this.Line 7-9: Claiming data outliers as the average lifespan is misleading at best and deliberate data skewing at worst. Just because some people live to be 105 doesn't mean the lifespan of people is 105.Line 10-12: Which populations "got it real bad" and what were the results?  Did the population crash like it does in EHD?  What is this stabilized prevalence you speak of?  Kind of like natural selection maybe?  The EHD paragraph:  So what if it's not 100% fatal.  It has been proven to kill 20-40% of deer populations and the carcasses are readily found and documented.  None of this has been shown in CWD.  Yes EHD has been around for a long time, but I guess 58 years cwd has been around isn't a long time to you.  Deer populations across the nation have indeed thrived in the face of EHD.  Why do you declare they won't do the same in the face of cwd?  Given that cwd hasn't been shown to be even close to decimating deer herds that EHD has.Lines starting with CWD:  Recently?  as in 58 years?  CWD doesn't go away huh.  Well so what?  EHD doesn't go away either it seems.Line 4-6 after CWD:  What goals or predicted outcomes and where did you get these said items?  Please show me where any implemented management practice has significantly changed the course of CWD.  Baiting has been banned in Colorado and Wyoming for decades and yet cwd goes merrily marching on.  Culling and shooting in Wisconsin and Minnesota did what again to contain cwd?  Oh yeah......NOTHING.Line 7-12: First of all, you just said above that cwd doesn't go away, so if you believe that, why would you kill the deer that are still alive if doing so doesn't get rid of CWD?  Additionally, where was culling done where it stopped the spread of cwd?  Line 13-17: How does your fear of cwd give you the right to dictate what others can or can not do or what they should or should not do?  Aren't we all free to choose not to be afraid of cwd?  Line 18 to end:  They found out what caused mad cow and stopped that practice.  When was the last time anyone was affected by mad cow.  Mad cow is NOT the unknown that cwd is.  Again, your fears about cwd don't give you the right to impose your fears on the rest of us.  The rest of the paragraph is an emotional plea that is irrelevant to the conversation.  It's speculation and you most certainly ARE trying to be an alarmist as there is NO EVIDENCE CWD can naturally infect cattle.  Non hunters don't eat alot of venison so that statement is irrelevent.  So how again are you not being an alarmist?</blockquote>

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