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<blockquote data-quote="Lycanthrope" data-source="post: 469759" data-attributes="member: 562"><p>Blue Dot Range Report: 30/06 Springfield</p><p></p><p>Rifle Used: Winchester Model 70</p><p></p><p>Barrel Length; 24 inch</p><p></p><p>Case Remington</p><p>Primer: CCI Large Rifle</p><p></p><p></p><p>150 grain Remington SP: Case: Remington, CCI/LR Primer, OAL: 81.36mm</p><p></p><p>21 grs: 2057 fps</p><p>22 grs: 2180 fps</p><p>23 grs: 2225 fps</p><p>24 grs: 2272 fps</p><p></p><p>25 grs: 2363 fps</p><p>26 grs: 2421 fps</p><p>27 grs: 2422 fps</p><p>28 grs: 2512 fps</p><p></p><p>Consider 27 grains as max load for reliable brass life. Recoil was greatly reduced, ( guestimate of 50% or more!) Accuracy was excellent in my Winchester Model 70. There are a lot of good bullets available that would work well at these velocities. My favorite is the ballistic tip and the 150 grain round noses. The 150 grain FN meant for the 30/30 would also be a good bullet. Speer�s Magtip also does an excellent job.</p><p></p><p>I would not hesitate to use these loads on any deer. At 24 grains, a 3.5 inch high zero at 100 yds, would be close to dead on at 200 yds. Penetration is a lot better than most people would believe reading modern ballistic charts.</p><p>Good shot placement, and you would be surprised what these loads will do.</p><p></p><p>I have taken an Elk, ( cow) at 175 yds, that weight 650 lbs on the hoof. She was taken at a broadside shot at a dead gallop. The load was a 165 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip, with an MV of 2250fps. The bullet penetrated all the way thru and was lodged on the far side under the hide. It destroyed both lungs and the liver, while cutting the esophagus in half also. The Elk cow went 50 yds and expired.</p><p></p><p>This load was not being carried to try and prove a point. As typical in hunting, the wrong ammo got packed for the trip, in the rush to get going.</p><p>It was all I had with me, which meant use it, or NOHunt! I decided to hunt.</p><p>90 minutes or less, I had the Elk down!</p><p></p><p>165 grain Sierra SP: Fed 210 Primer, Win Brass, OAL: 82.50 mm</p><p></p><p>20 grains: 1852 fps</p><p>21 grains: 1894 fps</p><p>22 grains: 1986 fps</p><p>23 grains: 2047 fps</p><p></p><p>24 grains: 2102 fps</p><p>25 grains: 2157 fps</p><p>26 grains: 2228 fps</p><p></p><p>I recommend stopping at 25 grains. 26 grains gave a few stiff bolt extractions.</p><p></p><p></p><p>180 grain Remington SP: Fed 210 Primer, Win Brass, OAL: 80.85mm</p><p></p><p>20 grains: 1762 fps</p><p>21 grains: 1814 fps</p><p>22 grains: 1882 fps</p><p>23 grains: 1955 fps</p><p>24 grains: 2022 fps</p><p>25 grains: 2076 fps.</p><p></p><p>The Nosler Ballistic tip would be a GREAT bullet in these applications, due to it being able to open up at low velocities and be deadly on game. I prefer Round Nose bullets or bullets like Speers Mag Tip also in reduced loads.</p><p>Honorable mention will go to 170 grain 30/30 bullets from multiple manufacturers that were design to work in this velocity ranges.</p><p></p><p>Accuracy with all weights were exceptional.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lycanthrope, post: 469759, member: 562"] Blue Dot Range Report: 30/06 Springfield Rifle Used: Winchester Model 70 Barrel Length; 24 inch Case Remington Primer: CCI Large Rifle 150 grain Remington SP: Case: Remington, CCI/LR Primer, OAL: 81.36mm 21 grs: 2057 fps 22 grs: 2180 fps 23 grs: 2225 fps 24 grs: 2272 fps 25 grs: 2363 fps 26 grs: 2421 fps 27 grs: 2422 fps 28 grs: 2512 fps Consider 27 grains as max load for reliable brass life. Recoil was greatly reduced, ( guestimate of 50% or more!) Accuracy was excellent in my Winchester Model 70. There are a lot of good bullets available that would work well at these velocities. My favorite is the ballistic tip and the 150 grain round noses. The 150 grain FN meant for the 30/30 would also be a good bullet. Speer�s Magtip also does an excellent job. I would not hesitate to use these loads on any deer. At 24 grains, a 3.5 inch high zero at 100 yds, would be close to dead on at 200 yds. Penetration is a lot better than most people would believe reading modern ballistic charts. Good shot placement, and you would be surprised what these loads will do. I have taken an Elk, ( cow) at 175 yds, that weight 650 lbs on the hoof. She was taken at a broadside shot at a dead gallop. The load was a 165 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip, with an MV of 2250fps. The bullet penetrated all the way thru and was lodged on the far side under the hide. It destroyed both lungs and the liver, while cutting the esophagus in half also. The Elk cow went 50 yds and expired. This load was not being carried to try and prove a point. As typical in hunting, the wrong ammo got packed for the trip, in the rush to get going. It was all I had with me, which meant use it, or NOHunt! I decided to hunt. 90 minutes or less, I had the Elk down! 165 grain Sierra SP: Fed 210 Primer, Win Brass, OAL: 82.50 mm 20 grains: 1852 fps 21 grains: 1894 fps 22 grains: 1986 fps 23 grains: 2047 fps 24 grains: 2102 fps 25 grains: 2157 fps 26 grains: 2228 fps I recommend stopping at 25 grains. 26 grains gave a few stiff bolt extractions. 180 grain Remington SP: Fed 210 Primer, Win Brass, OAL: 80.85mm 20 grains: 1762 fps 21 grains: 1814 fps 22 grains: 1882 fps 23 grains: 1955 fps 24 grains: 2022 fps 25 grains: 2076 fps. The Nosler Ballistic tip would be a GREAT bullet in these applications, due to it being able to open up at low velocities and be deadly on game. I prefer Round Nose bullets or bullets like Speers Mag Tip also in reduced loads. Honorable mention will go to 170 grain 30/30 bullets from multiple manufacturers that were design to work in this velocity ranges. Accuracy with all weights were exceptional. [/QUOTE]
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