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<blockquote data-quote="guywhofishes" data-source="post: 224458" data-attributes="member: 337"><p>All of a sudden, in 2018, antelope and fences are a major problem that needs 10s of millions of $$$ spent to solve? </p><p></p><p>Meh. I've seen them crawl under fences a hundred times, entire herds, small groups, singles... hundreds of times and with complete ease. I worked in the oil patch for two years prior to college at DSU, then hunted my brains out for 5 years going to school (thus the result of not finishing in four). I drove up/down 85 almost every day for over a year.</p><p></p><p>I wasn't born yesterday - cite all the "science" you want. Yes, tight 4 wire fences give them major issues. How about we just make sure those aren't in place along the pronghorn road kill problem spots? Besides, when they're at the fence trying to get across they're well away from traffic - with time they find their way through it... it's not like they stand on the road thinking it over.</p><p></p><p>Like I said, the choice isn't binary.... it's not simply choice between lots of roadkill/accidents or having underpasses. There are a variety of solutions. With lower cost solutions there could be many more animal crossing zones put in place. One such solution is occasional zones with high bottom wires - just like the park system uses to allow animals to go in/out of the park with ease. And in those zones you have to slow to 40MPH for a 1/4 mile, with lots of signage.</p><p></p><p>Antelope and deer aren't endangered and are not in need of extraordinary measures to save them from road kill in my opinion. Habitat loss is much more of an issue if you look at contributions to population declines. I can agree with a couple crossings at unique locations for moose (safety) or bighorn. Not sure bighorns are even worth it though... they struggle with just about anything that has to do with people (especially the diseases domestic sheep carry). They're simply on the edge of good habitat for thriving.</p><p></p><p>And finally - your science articles discuss migration issues (hundreds of fence crossings). How are three or four crossings on 85 going to assist in solving that exactly? Are you going to remedy migration issues in ND with three or four multi-million dollar crossings? Your fence/migration issue seems out of place in this debate. Let's stick to the underpass projects and problems being discussed... road kill on 85.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="guywhofishes, post: 224458, member: 337"] All of a sudden, in 2018, antelope and fences are a major problem that needs 10s of millions of $$$ spent to solve? Meh. I've seen them crawl under fences a hundred times, entire herds, small groups, singles... hundreds of times and with complete ease. I worked in the oil patch for two years prior to college at DSU, then hunted my brains out for 5 years going to school (thus the result of not finishing in four). I drove up/down 85 almost every day for over a year. I wasn't born yesterday - cite all the "science" you want. Yes, tight 4 wire fences give them major issues. How about we just make sure those aren't in place along the pronghorn road kill problem spots? Besides, when they're at the fence trying to get across they're well away from traffic - with time they find their way through it... it's not like they stand on the road thinking it over. Like I said, the choice isn't binary.... it's not simply choice between lots of roadkill/accidents or having underpasses. There are a variety of solutions. With lower cost solutions there could be many more animal crossing zones put in place. One such solution is occasional zones with high bottom wires - just like the park system uses to allow animals to go in/out of the park with ease. And in those zones you have to slow to 40MPH for a 1/4 mile, with lots of signage. Antelope and deer aren't endangered and are not in need of extraordinary measures to save them from road kill in my opinion. Habitat loss is much more of an issue if you look at contributions to population declines. I can agree with a couple crossings at unique locations for moose (safety) or bighorn. Not sure bighorns are even worth it though... they struggle with just about anything that has to do with people (especially the diseases domestic sheep carry). They're simply on the edge of good habitat for thriving. And finally - your science articles discuss migration issues (hundreds of fence crossings). How are three or four crossings on 85 going to assist in solving that exactly? Are you going to remedy migration issues in ND with three or four multi-million dollar crossings? Your fence/migration issue seems out of place in this debate. Let's stick to the underpass projects and problems being discussed... road kill on 85. [/QUOTE]
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