What's new
Forums
Members
Resources
Whopper Club
Politics
Pics
Videos
Fishing Reports
Classifieds
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Members
Resources
Whopper Club
Politics
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Forums
General
General Discussion
The "NEW" SB 2315 - Pucker Up Buttercup!
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Boondoggle" data-source="post: 248206" data-attributes="member: 6537"><p>I posted these stats in the other No Trespass Law post regarding version 1 of SB 2315.</p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Here are a few key things I gathered from the fiscal note:</span></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-$250K to build the database and mapping application.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-$892 for 6 new FTE to administer landowner agreements and database/mapping application.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-Add them up and it's $1.142M for 2019-2021 biennium</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-$892K for the 2021-2023 biennium (without database construction)</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-Average those numbers and it's roughly $500K/year for the first 4 years.</span></span></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">-The fiscal agreement estimates 3,166 posting agreements, equating to a cost of roughly $160/posting agreement.</span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: #333333"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #333333">Applying version 1 numbers above to version X that we're on now, and assuming an average 300 acres/agreement as stated in the fiscal note, then the database cost is roughly $0.53/acre ($160/300 acres). Posting one section of land into the database would cost approximately $340/section for the database term length (annually?). Where's that money going to come from? The hunter? The other 600,000 citizens of ND? The supporters of the database?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #333333"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #333333">I don't own land to post but I'll estimate very conservatively that it currently costs $100/section annually with labor, equipment and paper signs. I'll also estimate it will cost $100/section of landowners time to fiddle around with an online database form. The cost of posting signs currently vs posting in an online database is a wash. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #333333"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #333333">This is extremely inefficient, and the landowners would continue to have trespassers, slob hunters, animal rights activists, protesters, etc. to contend with. SB 2315 is a waste of time and money.</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Boondoggle, post: 248206, member: 6537"] I posted these stats in the other No Trespass Law post regarding version 1 of SB 2315. [I][COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]Here are a few key things I gathered from the fiscal note:[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]-$250K to build the database and mapping application.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]-$892 for 6 new FTE to administer landowner agreements and database/mapping application.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]-Add them up and it's $1.142M for 2019-2021 biennium[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]-$892K for the 2021-2023 biennium (without database construction)[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]-Average those numbers and it's roughly $500K/year for the first 4 years.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]-The fiscal agreement estimates 3,166 posting agreements, equating to a cost of roughly $160/posting agreement. [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#333333]Applying version 1 numbers above to version X that we're on now, and assuming an average 300 acres/agreement as stated in the fiscal note, then the database cost is roughly $0.53/acre ($160/300 acres). Posting one section of land into the database would cost approximately $340/section for the database term length (annually?). Where's that money going to come from? The hunter? The other 600,000 citizens of ND? The supporters of the database? I don't own land to post but I'll estimate very conservatively that it currently costs $100/section annually with labor, equipment and paper signs. I'll also estimate it will cost $100/section of landowners time to fiddle around with an online database form. The cost of posting signs currently vs posting in an online database is a wash. This is extremely inefficient, and the landowners would continue to have trespassers, slob hunters, animal rights activists, protesters, etc. to contend with. SB 2315 is a waste of time and money.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
Verification
What is the most common fish caught on this site?
Post reply
Recent Posts
Spring has sprung-
Latest: Eatsleeptrap
23 minutes ago
Mother Nature's Drunk....
Latest: wslayer
Today at 5:00 PM
T
ND Mushrooms
Latest: Twitch
Today at 1:35 PM
Burleigh co. Ditches debate
Latest: Fritz the Cat
Today at 1:00 PM
M
Walleye length limits on big 3
Latest: measure-it
Today at 12:08 PM
Mozambique Rock/Surf
Latest: Fritz the Cat
Today at 8:35 AM
A
Ice angler cheats
Latest: Auggie
Yesterday at 9:01 PM
Li time lithium batteries
Latest: wslayer
Yesterday at 5:56 PM
M
Walkin and thinkin
Latest: measure-it
Yesterday at 11:31 AM
T
Sled auger mount
Latest: Travis wood outdoors
Yesterday at 9:30 AM
Spring snows 26
Latest: Maddog
Yesterday at 8:17 AM
ND Otters?
Latest: svnmag
Thursday at 11:00 PM
CO2 Climate Scam
Latest: Rowdie
Thursday at 10:00 PM
Gilly YT
Latest: svnmag
Thursday at 8:40 PM
Predictions for deer season 26
Latest: Rut2much
Thursday at 12:53 PM
ND Senior Fishing lic Doubles
Latest: Lycanthrope
Thursday at 10:57 AM
Garden!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Latest: Lycanthrope
Thursday at 10:33 AM
Food porn
Latest: SurvivalAmazon88
Thursday at 9:51 AM
April Fool's day
Latest: luvcatchingbass
Thursday at 8:53 AM
What are you listening to these days?
Latest: Davy Crockett
Thursday at 2:10 AM
Butter Sauce Eggs YT
Latest: svnmag
Wednesday at 9:24 PM
Some bad ice
Latest: lunkerslayer
Wednesday at 8:50 PM
Jerimiah Johnson YT 26min
Latest: lunkerslayer
Wednesday at 8:46 PM
Friends of NDA
Forums
General
General Discussion
The "NEW" SB 2315 - Pucker Up Buttercup!
Top
Bottom