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<blockquote data-quote="snow" data-source="post: 310478" data-attributes="member: 1056">nd bismuth is okay beyond 40yds @$18/box,but better yet is Hevi-x night n day better than any steel loads no matter the make steel is steel lacks down range kinetic energy ,weight comparison: steel 7.8g/cc bismuth 9.5g/cc hevi -x 11g/cc (composit&nbsp; shot like bismuth only tungsen) great loads for pass shooting that won't break the bank,100% hevi shot 12g/cc but spendy,but if you shoot over dekes inside 40yds any of the steel brands do the job just fine.hevi shot has a fast load called &quot;speed ball&quot; its a duplex load of copper clad not -(plated so the copper on the steel pellets is much thicker.) steel pellets for added weight and hevi shot 50/50&nbsp; @1650fps 3&quot;,further the hevi pellets are 2 sizes smaller than steel pellets so each shell has 20% more pellets because of the smaller pellet size putting more pellets on target example #2 in speed ball or hevi metal is 50% #2 steel shot and#4 in hevi shot pellets.#2's and 4's in hevi metal proved to be a great load for snow geese,smaller pellets penetrate better.my experience with 12ga 3.5 ammo,patterns suck,if a guy needs to reach out nothin better than a 10ga.larger diameter bore enhances the pattern but thats me,love to pass shoot,folding up high flyers stone cold dead with the 10ga.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="snow, post: 310478, member: 1056"] nd bismuth is okay beyond 40yds @$18/box,but better yet is Hevi-x night n day better than any steel loads no matter the make steel is steel lacks down range kinetic energy ,weight comparison: steel 7.8g/cc bismuth 9.5g/cc hevi -x 11g/cc (composit shot like bismuth only tungsen) great loads for pass shooting that won't break the bank,100% hevi shot 12g/cc but spendy,but if you shoot over dekes inside 40yds any of the steel brands do the job just fine. hevi shot has a fast load called "speed ball" its a duplex load of copper clad not -(plated so the copper on the steel pellets is much thicker.) steel pellets for added weight and hevi shot 50/50 @1650fps 3",further the hevi pellets are 2 sizes smaller than steel pellets so each shell has 20% more pellets because of the smaller pellet size putting more pellets on target example #2 in speed ball or hevi metal is 50% #2 steel shot and#4 in hevi shot pellets.#2's and 4's in hevi metal proved to be a great load for snow geese,smaller pellets penetrate better. my experience with 12ga 3.5 ammo,patterns suck,if a guy needs to reach out nothin better than a 10ga.larger diameter bore enhances the pattern but thats me,love to pass shoot,folding up high flyers stone cold dead with the 10ga. [/QUOTE]

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