DAPL

[eyexer]

Yeah that's why I pulled it but all I can find even two years later had it right around 20,000 barrels or 86,000 gallons

you don't want to know how big it was.

 

[shorthairsrus]

clay jenkinson article i read that my blood pressure went through the roof these guys r instructing our kids i want him and every other fool that thinks they know everthing to spend some time at that camp clay j winter will remove everyone of them

 

[Zogman]

Short, I read that also. What a condescending, arrogant, blow hard, asshat. He has never worked at a real job.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Weedy keep in mind I am old n crabby

 

[Allen]

Yeah that's why I pulled it but all I can find even two years later had it right around 20,000 barrels or 86,000 gallons

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If the first number is correct, the second needs to be 840,000.

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Jenkinson

Don't even get me started on that over educated for his natural intellect, blowhard. Good lord, I had gone so long without reading any of his drivel that I forgot he exists.

 

[weedy1]

Weedy keep in mind I am old n crabby

Shorthairsrus, I am not that old or crabby. But 3 and 1/2 years of chemo does tend to scramble the brain!

 

[dean nelson]

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If the first number is correct, the second needs to be 840,000.

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Jenkinson

Don't even get me started on that over educated for his natural intellect, blowhard. Good lord, I had gone so long without reading any of his drivel that I forgot he exists.

Thus the term right around! depending on what site your on the numbers fall in that range. 42 gallons per barrel

 

[Migrator Man]

Well it would definitely be safer if it was double piped. Put sensors in the void and if they get tried you know the inner pipe has sprung a leak before a single drop of oil gets spilled....a much better system but one I'm sure is very expensive.

Casing the pipe in another pipe would just cause more issues plus it would start to float if the annular space was filled with air. There is a reason pipelines are not cases anymore when they cross the roads. They cause more issues than they prevent. Some pipelines have even leaked BECAUSE of casings. The pipelines are protected by coatings and cathodic protection. If any coating goes bad for any reason the cathodic protection prevents corrosion. This new pipeline will never leak if all the proper inspections are performed on the welds. If all else fails there are internal inspections every 5 years that would catch any issues. New pipeline are 100 times safer than the old ones in the ground because of the new regulations.

 

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Thus the term right around! depending on what site your on the numbers fall in that range. 42 gallons per barrel

Maybe you should go back and read what you originally wrote.

 

[Davey Crockett]

Casing the pipe in another pipe would just cause more issues plus it would start to float if the annular space was filled with air. There is a reason pipelines are not cases anymore when they cross the roads. They cause more issues than they prevent. Some pipelines have even leaked BECAUSE of casings. The pipelines are protected by coatings and cathodic protection. If any coating goes bad for any reason the cathodic protection prevents corrosion. This new pipeline will never leak if all the proper inspections are performed on the welds. If all else fails there are internal inspections every 5 years that would catch any issues. New pipeline are 100 times safer than the old ones in the ground because of the new regulations.

Fill the annular space with water and leave pressure on it and put a pressure monitor on it so someone phone rings if there is an abnormal pressure drop or rise. The coating they put on pipe might look good on paper but go look at the pipe after it comes out of the ground once it has been pulled under the river.

 

[espringers]

Ghost is 86,000 not "right around" 840,000?

 

[Account Deleted]

Everything is relative I guess.

 

[Migrator Man]

Fill the annular space with water and leave pressure on it and put a pressure monitor on it so someone phone rings if there is an abnormal pressure drop or rise. The coating they put on pipe might look good on paper but go look at the pipe after it comes out of the ground once it has been pulled under the river.

So you want the annular space to corrode? Why would you want to fill it with one of the most corrosive substances and corrode the casing and carrier pipe?

The coating may not look perfect after it is pulled under the river but it typically 99% coated or higher. I wouldn't be surprised if the DAPL bores were 99.99% coated because of the geology of the region (not large rock layers). This is why companies are required to use cathodic protection to protect the bare areas of the pipe. Coatings are not 100% perfect and without cathodic protection the small areas without coating would corrode more rapidly than if the whole pipe was bare.

 

[Davey Crockett]

I'm not trying to argue but I've never seen a dry borehole in my life , No reason to think this one under a river would be any different. As far as the annular space incased pipelines, Don't they use good quality makeup water and anti corrosives ?

 

[Migrator Man]

I'm not trying to argue but I've never seen a dry borehole in my life , No reason to think this one under a river would be any different. As far as the annular space incased pipelines, Don't they use good quality makeup water and anti corrosives ?

I'm not trying to argue either I just don't think anything you are saying makes sense. All bore holes are filled its drill mud that is obviously not dry. That wet mud is not bad for the pipeline as it help hold the hole open on the pull through. Pipeline laid in wet environments is a non issue as the cathodic and coating prevent corrosion. When you case the pipe the carrier pipe cannot touch the casing. When they touch the pipes are shorted and the carrier pipe does not get cathodic protection and only protects the casing. They don't use casings anymore because shorts to the casing were big integrity issues.

Water environments without any cathodic protection is enemy number 1. Water attracts salts and causes accelerated corrosion. Annular spaces on old pipelines are normally filled with thick grease and sometimes vapor phase inhibitor if there is corrosion issues. Casings are BAD and are asking for a leak, why take a higher risk of failure?

 

[eyexer]

I'm not trying to argue either I just don't think anything you are saying makes sense. All bore holes are filled its drill mud that is obviously not dry. That wet mud is not bad for the pipeline as it help hold the hole open on the pull through. Pipeline laid in wet environments is a non issue as the cathodic and coating prevent corrosion. When you case the pipe the carrier pipe cannot touch the casing. When they touch the pipes are shorted and the carrier pipe does not get cathodic protection and only protects the casing. They don't use casings anymore because shorts to the casing were big integrity issues.

Water environments without any cathodic protection is enemy number 1. Water attracts salts and causes accelerated corrosion. Annular spaces on old pipelines are normally filled with thick grease and sometimes vapor phase inhibitor if there is corrosion issues. Casings are BAD and are asking for a leak, why take a higher risk of failure?

did they stop requiring an outer casing on under highway bores?

 

[Migrator Man]

did they stop requiring an outer casing on under highway bores?

Yes that is no longer a common practice. They realized there is no threat from heavy loads when pipelines go under roads/ railroads. Most are now installed about 10' deep under the roads depending on the type of road and distance of the bore. Some railroads try to make companies still case thier lines but normally you can get them to sign off if you bore deeper.

 

[Bullsnake]

What affect is this having on the casino??? I hope its losing its ass, those titty sprinkles injuns better wake up, cuz there rez checks are just about to get smaller....

No checks handed out around here

 

[Zogman]

Casing the pipe in another pipe would just cause more issues plus it would start to float if the annular space was filled with air. There is a reason pipelines are not cases anymore when they cross the roads. They cause more issues than they prevent. Some pipelines have even leaked BECAUSE of casings. The pipelines are protected by coatings and cathodic protection. If any coating goes bad for any reason the cathodic protection prevents corrosion. This new pipeline will never leak if all the proper inspections are performed on the welds. If all else fails there are internal inspections every 5 years that would catch any issues. New pipeline are 100 times safer than the old ones in the ground because of the new regulations.

I thank you for the new information. I haven't been around borings for about 20 years. When I had a couple of young guys working with me in the summers I always told them on Fridays to DOUBLE WRAP it if they took it out over the weekends or better yet leave it in your pants.

 

[lunkerslayer]

I have on question: who on here is going to personally benefit from this pipeline?