DAPL

[guywhofishes]

Protesters are too late - the behavior of the protesters tells me there's already something in the water.

 

[shorthairsrus]

Rep Cramer said no corp permit required for north of Bismarck. DeAn. Your working for buffett

 

[dean nelson]

Not a big fan of this whole hullabaloo, but I have a question: If the pipeline is so safe and secure and bulletproof, why would the COE need to be concerned about RISK?? If all the claims about this pipeline being so environmentally sound are true, they should be able to put it anywhere, correct?? If there is a RISK, as the COE has indicated, by not wanting the line too close to water intakes, then maybe the folks doing all the hollering have a valid concern.

No one ever said a leak couldn't happen they just said this was the safest option. Our oil trains have accounted for several large spills that resulted in the deaths of 47 people and extensive damage.

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Rep Cramer said no corp permit required for north of Bismarck. DeAn. Your working for buffett

How did Cramer come up with that since the Corp had to give clearance on numerous water crossing between here and IL. And how exactly do you figure pointed out why that option is off the table some how makes me pro bakken bombs?

 

[shorthairsrus]

Rep Cramer said no corp permit required for north of Bismarck. DeAn. Your working for buffett

 

[Zogman]

They need to have it double bagged. ie the carrier pipe (oil) needs to be inside a casing pipe when crossing any body of water.
My opinion only. However this method has been used in many applications and for alot of years.

 

[weedy1]

They still have to minimize risk. Such as choosing a route that affects 100,000 people less. They cover this in the NEPA document. Not to mention if it were moved north of Bismarck, which was never viable, never truly considered and was never objected to by the citizens of Bismarck, they would still be downstream. Also, SRTs water intake is being shut down as scheduled and will now be pumped from FT Yates, 70 miles downstream. Their case is paper thin to nonexistent.

Yes, the citizens of Bismarck/Mandan would probably not be thrilled about the DAPL pipeline providing any more potential hazards. After all, we already have the Nustar pipeline operated by Tesoro which comes out of their refinery and goes right through Bismarck on its route to Jamestown. That pipeline carries gasoline, diesel fuel, heavy fuel oils and liquefied petroleum gas. The pipeline used to hang on the old Memorial Bridge before it was replaced by the new four lane bridge connecting West Main Street in Bismarck to the Strip and Interstate 94 access to Mandan and western North Dakota. That portion of the pipeline was bored under the Missouri River at the crossing point. I am quite sure that new pipeline doesn't have 90 feet of cover between it and the riverbed. During the flood of 2011 there was concern that scour caused by the releases from Garrison Dam might remove some of the existing cover depth and jeopardize the pipeline. By the way that buried pipeline crossing is about 1/2 mile upstream of the new intake for the Bismarck/Burleigh County water supply system. I am pretty sure that the Bismarck water system supplies more individuals than the system for Fort Yates (which is soon to be replaced by a pipeline from Mobridge, SD anyway) by at least ten fold. You can check out the Nustar Pipeline by going using your search engine to check out Tesoro, Mandan Refinery, Nustar Pipeline. The processed fuels have to be much more of an environmental hazard than unrefined oil.

 

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They need to have it double bagged. ie the carrier pipe (oil) needs to be inside a casing pipe when crossing any body of water.
My opinion only. However this method has been used in many applications and for alot of years.

This pipeline is using the very latest technology. It is as safe as a pipeline gets for now.

 

[dean nelson]

Well it would definitely be safer if it was double piped. Put sensors in the void and if they get tried you know the inner pipe has sprung a leak before a single drop of oil gets spilled....a much better system but one I'm sure is very expensive.

 

[Kurtr]

Yes, the citizens of Bismarck/Mandan would probably not be thrilled about the DAPL pipeline providing any more potential hazards. After all, we already have the Nustar pipeline operated by Tesoro which comes out of their refinery and goes right through Bismarck on its route to Jamestown. That pipeline carries gasoline, diesel fuel, heavy fuel oils and liquefied petroleum gas. The pipeline used to hang on the old Memorial Bridge before it was replaced by the new four lane bridge connecting West Main Street in Bismarck to the Strip and Interstate 94 access to Mandan and western North Dakota. That portion of the pipeline was bored under the Missouri River at the crossing point. I am quite sure that new pipeline doesn't have 90 feet of cover between it and the riverbed. During the flood of 2011 there was concern that scour caused by the releases from Garrison Dam might remove some of the existing cover depth and jeopardize the pipeline. By the way that buried pipeline crossing is about 1/2 mile upstream of the new intake for the Bismarck/Burleigh County water supply system. I am pretty sure that the Bismarck water system supplies more individuals than the system for Fort Yates (which is soon to be replaced by a pipeline from Mobridge, SD anyway) by at least ten fold. You can check out the Nustar Pipeline by going using your search engine to check out Tesoro, Mandan Refinery, Nustar Pipeline. The processed fuels have to be much more of an environmental hazard than unrefined oil.

The intake is right by the Bay on Srst side of river. Mobridge wants nothing to do with this bull shit.

 

[weedy1]

The intake is right by the Bay on Srst side of river. Mobridge wants nothing to do with this bull shit.

Kurt,

The Bureau of Reclamation is constructing a pipeline with MR&I funding connecting the Mobridge water treatment with parts of the Standing Rock reservation. In early September the pipeline construction had reached the ND/SD line and was to be completed this construction season to include Fort Yates. Since the 2011 flood the intake currently used by Fort Yates has had significant siltation problems. If you want to check on this give Tom Thompson of the BOR in Bismarck a call for clarification. So, by the time the DAPL is completed across Oahe Fort Yates's source of water will be Mobridge which is 70 miles south of the DAPL crossing. I am unaware of any other drinking water intakes that exist between Bismarck and Mobridge that would be jeopardized by the DAPL. Once again, propaganda overwhelms the truth.

 

[Kurtr]

Guy it's not in Mobridge it is west one mile of here on the other side of the river. It goes to the new water treatment plant the tribe built. I spent alot of days freezingy ass off pouring concrete on that. The pipe line to supply water from the storage tank is what is being put in right now.

 

[weedy1]

Kurt,

Sorry, I assumed the water was coming from the Mobridge water treatment facility instead of a new facility. The tribe may have built the treatment plant but it was BOR MR&I funds that paid for it. BOR has funded lots of water projects for the tribes in North and South Dakota. The BOR has contributed significant funding for projects like the Southwest Pipeline that now provides water to Dickinson, Medora, etc. The tribe certainly wouldn't use casino monies for a project like that!

 

[Kurtr]

It has sat for 3.5 years completed and not pumped a gallon. They are now just putting in pipe to show communities. Hope fully the plant still works when everything is done after sitting so longn

 

[shorthairsrus]

U guys worried bout pipeline. Bunch of tree huggers. Largest oil spill was a train. If we have oil burn spill again in town. U buffet and every protestor is getting a class lawsuit filed against them. It is such a no brained. To think we have law enforcement putting their life and time away from family all for a nobrain protest of people that are mi8sinformed. What's worse is a corrupt fed govt that allows another pipeline/oil car company to persuade a protest and the pres not to do anything about it. Oil vs oil is all this is. Babybooomerville

 

[slyfish77]

Something I have not seen mentioned. Archambeau's gas station. Does he have underground tanks? When have they last been checked? He may be doing plenty of pollution himself.

 

[nxtgeneration]

Well it would definitely be safer if it was double piped. Put sensors in the void and if they get tried you know the inner pipe has sprung a leak before a single drop of oil gets spilled....a much better system but one I'm sure is very expensive.

I was under the impression that they did add the casing pipe for this bore section. From what I understood is that it was requested by one of the interested parties during reviews and DAPL added it at their request.

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Something I have not seen mentioned. Archambeau's gas station. Does he have underground tanks? When have they last been checked? He may be doing plenty of pollution himself.

He is selling so much fuel it doesn't have time to leak out of the tanks :::

 

[dean nelson]

U guys worried bout pipeline. Bunch of tree huggers. Largest oil spill was a train. If we have oil burn spill again in town. U buffet and every protestor is getting a class lawsuit filed against them. It is such a no brained. To think we have law enforcement putting their life and time away from family all for a nobrain protest of people that are mi8sinformed. What's worse is a corrupt fed govt that allows another pipeline/oil car company to persuade a protest and the pres not to do anything about it. Oil vs oil is all this is. Babybooomerville

Does your brain not fully work or something? where have you seen a single person on here who is anti pipeline.

 

[eyexer]

Does your brain not fully work or something? where have you seen a single person on here who is anti pipeline.

far bigger than 20K up north

 

[weedy1]

shorthairsrus,

You definitely understood me wrong if you think I am anti-pipeline. I am pro-DAPL 100%. My point in bringing up the Tesoro pipeline through Bismarck was to show that non-Native communities have to deal with pipelines and some locations the pipelines carry materials much more hazardous than the DAPL. It just bugs me that the propaganda being spread by the protestors make it sound as if the SRST is being singled out for punishment. There are plenty of additional water crossings along the DAPL route where a spill would impact many more people than those on SRST. Reports make it sound as if a leak in the line would severely impact their DRINKING water. With the hook-up to the new plant at Mobridge any leak, however improbable, would be mitigated by the 70 mile distance. Crossing the Missouri north of Bismarck/Mandan would not provide this same buffer distance to any municipal water supply and would impact 10 times the population it would on SRST. So, when risk is discussed, it can be tied to distance and population numbers. Not native or non-native.

 

[dean nelson]

far bigger than 20K up north

Yeah that's why I pulled it but all I can find even two years later had it right around 20,000 barrels or 86,000 gallons