Current thoughts on the covid vaccine???

[Allen]

Uhh, no.

The risk(s) associated with getting the vaccine are restricted to that one individual.

The risks of running around unvaccinated extend out beyond that one individual. To people they know and do not know.[/QUOTe

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fully-vaccinated-people-dont-quarantine-014500410.html

the CDC disagrees with you.

[FONT=&quot]OK, so I read that article and must have missed where it says that unvaccinated people are not a threat to others. Or, I missed the part where it says the vaccine can harm not only the one vaccinated, but someone else they may come into contact.

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[Skeeter]

Kind of ironic how everyone constantly bitches about the lying press but then when their or their friends families lives could be at stake they'll believe a talking head with no education over our country's best and brightest scientists.

A scientist is a payed researcher. Pretty sure they will do everything they can to find the results that the person paying them wants to see. Really tough for me believe anything from the CDC or any government entities now.

 

[RPNLPS]

A scientist is a payed researcher. Pretty sure they will do everything they can to find the results that the person paying them wants to see. Really tough for me believe anything from the CDC or any government entities now.

As a doctor gets paid to practice???
I don’t like being practiced on!!

 

[gonefshn]

A scientist is a payed researcher. Pretty sure they will do everything they can to find the results that the person paying them wants to see. Really tough for me believe anything from the CDC or any government entities now.

And a talking head isn't paid for doing anything he can to get you to watch and listen to him and is more trustworthy than the actual researchers?

 

[Skeeter]

And a talking head isn't paid for doing anything he can to get you to watch and listen to him and is more trustworthy than the actual researchers?

I didn’t say that either. I’m just saying that you don’t need to fall all over yourself to believe everything that science puts out. For every scientific finding there is a scientist that will disagree and put out his own research to debunk the first research. So who do we believe? Everyone has their brain to try and decipher the findings and act accordingly to their own liking. We don’t have to follow like sheep the finding of scientists, it your own choice.

 

[49994]

OK, so I read that article and must have missed where it says that unvaccinated people are not a threat to others. Or, I missed the part where it says the vaccine can harm not only the one vaccinated, but someone else they may come into contact.

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Simply says vaccinated people may still spread Covid just like unvaccinated people. If I'm correct you were implying that unvaccinated were the only ones spreading it. If I'm incorrect I apologize.

 

[SDMF]

Kind of ironic how everyone constantly bitches about the lying press but then when their or their friends families lives could be at stake they'll believe a talking head with no education over our country's best and brightest scientists.

IMO, this is a "Top-Down" credibility problem. Fauchi was supposed to be "The Guy" but he's full-180 contradicted himself multiple times. His explanations for his self-contradiction have been feeble. Full 180 contradictions have the appearance of political and/or $$ behind them, not public safety.

I guarantee you that I know less than .0000000000000000001% about viruses than Fauchi does but how do I believe "The Guy" when 1st he says it's like the flu and it'll be gone by summer, then says it'll be with us for 2-3 years? Then we have the, "Don't wear a mask", "WEAR A MASK!!!!!!", "Wear 2-3 masks".

That creates the situation we have now, some people say "Screw masks" and other say, "You're killing people". The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle but the "Experts" have changed their opinion and recommendations so many times that nobody believes them anymore.

Diametrically opposed instructions from the same source means that sooner or later, nearly everyone is going to believe you lied at some point and nobody is going to trust you.

 

[guywhofishes]

On the skit - agreed. Hey Cue Ball, Hey Sinbad O'Connor, Hey Uncle Fester..

Having been a McLaughlin Group viewer makes it even funnier. Byyye byyye....

 

[Zogman]

​SDMF, Just about the best post on this thread!

 

[Ruttin]

We went from "15 days to slow the spread" to "if you don't wear multiple masks, vaccinate, and get an anal swab then you are an uneducated racist."

 

[guywhofishes]

​SDMF, Just about the best post on this thread!

Yes it was good.

What I learned here was that page after page of people expressing that they're tired of being lied to doesn't convince anyone. You have to cite the head liar's example lies for people to understand - even though they all witnessed those lies for over a year.

Humans are weird.

 

[deleted member]

Uhh, no.

The risk(s) associated with getting the vaccine are restricted to that one individual.

The risks of running around unvaccinated extend out beyond that one individual. To people they know and do not know.[/QUOTe

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fully-vaccinated-people-dont-quarantine-014500410.html

the CDC disagrees with you.

unless i am reading that wrong, it looks like they agree with him...

 

[Allen]

A scientist is a payed researcher. Pretty sure they will do everything they can to find the results that the person paying them wants to see. Really tough for me believe anything from the CDC or any government entities now.

While I, as a scientist, would agree that there are unscrupulous people in the scientific field, much like any other field, I take great offense with such a broad characterization of the morals of the scientific community. In particular, most govt scientists are supported by the taxpayer through a salary and they don't need to grovel or get pushy at the trough like academics or consulting firms (sorry, Guy).

In general, a scientist is paid to answer questions using the scientific method. As is often the case, how the question is posed can really put a "direction" to the work and may leave other important questions unanswered. However, the vast majority of scientists I know will not sell their soul for a research grant; e.g arriving at a predetermined outcome. It's one of the most important reasons we scientists submit our work to our peers for official review. So to think that Dr. Joe Schmoe (who we might think has a financial interest in a given research project) can get nameless peers to review and concur with Schmoe's work when THEY AREN'T GETTING A CUT, seems to be a bit of a stretch of reasoning. Peer review is an important underpinning of the integrity of the scientific community.

Also, I would like to note that ethics in engineering and science were quite extensively incorporated into my coursework at UND.

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IMO, this is a "Top-Down" credibility problem. Fauchi was supposed to be "The Guy" but he's full-180 contradicted himself multiple times. His explanations for his self-contradiction have been feeble. Full 180 contradictions have the appearance of political and/or $$ behind them, not public safety.

I guarantee you that I know less than .0000000000000000001% about viruses than Fauchi does but how do I believe "The Guy" when 1st he says it's like the flu and it'll be gone by summer, then says it'll be with us for 2-3 years? Then we have the, "Don't wear a mask", "WEAR A MASK!!!!!!", "Wear 2-3 masks".

That creates the situation we have now, some people say "Screw masks" and other say, "You're killing people". The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle but the "Experts" have changed their opinion and recommendations so many times that nobody believes them anymore.

Diametrically opposed instructions from the same source means that sooner or later, nearly everyone is going to believe you lied at some point and nobody is going to trust you.

Like many, I have issues with how the CDC and Fauci have done a poor job of justifying what seems to be an ever-changing position on masks, quarantine times, etc, etc. The bottom line is that we have learned a great deal in the past year about this virus and combined with supply constraints early on that prevented the use of masks by the general public (remember, we let the medical community have what was available). Hell, the asians have used masks in public as a way to limit person to person transmission of colds and flu since at least the mid-late 80s when I was over there, so we had already known for years that there was at least some benefit to masking the public during cold and flu season. The question was always "how much". Same thing with quarantine times, they chose to err on the side of caution early on, then reached a conclusion (with much more data) that those quarantine times could be adjusted, etc.

Like I said, I try to not be too hard on the "experts", but their messaging has sucked from Day-1.

 

[Captain Ahab]

If and when I'm offered the vaccine, I will likely take it and move on. Odds are in the things favor. Then I can kiss strangers again.:;:

 

[guywhofishes]

Them’s fighting words Allen.

I am in the science business. I provide in-situ and ex-situ chemical analysis to consultants. I write peer-reviewed papers and am also a peer reviewer. My work made the front cover of the premier peer-reviewed journal in the business. I am considered an anti-snake oil zealot who, in many cases, makes crappy business decisions based on the lack of scientific credibility that a potential venture/product would have. I am NOT a consultant.

So you take that back.

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PM me for my CV

Oh wait - you already knew my background but you forgot.

 

[johnr]

I am a strong believer in herd immunity, and also not quarantining the healthy.
The infirm can spend their days in hiding, as it should be.

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Them’s fighting words Alan.

I am in the science business. I provide in-situ and ex-situ chemical analysis to consultants. I write peer-reviewed papers and am also a peer reviewer. My work made the front cover of the premier journal in the business. I am considered an anti-snake oil zealot who, in many cases, makes crappy business decisions based on the lack of scientific credibility that a potential venture/product would have.

You take that back.

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PM me for my CV

Oh wait - you already knew that but you forgot.

I also dont trust a stoner

 

[ndfinfan]

^^ Guessing Guy intentionally misspelled your name Allen...you sciency guys don't do random!

 

[49994]

unless i am reading that wrong, it looks like they agree with him...

When they say its uncertain, I understand that as they don't know if you can spread it or not when vaccinated, NO?
[FONT=&quot]The guidance says the risk that fully vaccinated people could spread the coronavirus, to others is "still uncertain.[/FONT]
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[guywhofishes]

^^ Guessing Guy intentionally misspelled your name Allen...you sciency guys don't do random!

Ha! I wish I was that skilled at throwing shade. I email people all day - spelling of the same names become a blur. Sorry Allen.

 

[MuskyManiac]

When they say its uncertain, I understand that as they don't know if you can spread it or not when vaccinated, NO?
The guidance says the risk that fully vaccinated people could spread the coronavirus, to others is "still uncertain.

I believe this is because the vaccine is not 100% effective, 5 out of 100 could contract the virus yet after being vaccinated.