Feminism!!!

[Lycanthrope]

In the early 80's we had to beg a girl that was in VO-AG ll to be our FFA chapter sweetheart for district leadership. Now, the FFA chapter is 95% girls/young women. That transfers to them taking over farms, equipment dealerships etc. Look at college precision Ag classes. Girls. I am ok with it, but what are the boys, young men/little faggots their age doing? Playing video games and being complete fucking toads. When the shit hits the fan, those toads are going to die in mass until the ship right itself.

Dont blame boys, they are largely victims of all this BS. Have some empathy...

 

[Kurtr]

I know plenty of women who are married with kids and if that’s the definition of happiness and I was a chick I would definitely stay single. I chuckle at the do t tread on me but I’m gonna tell you how to live mentality.

From a financial standpoint getting married is a bad deal for men these days. Fair chance your going to loose half your shit.

 

[Fallguy]

women who are married with children are much happier than women who stay single.

Says who? And since we are on the topic...where did the orginal data table come from? Looks "official"? I'm skeptical.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Says who? And since we are on the topic...where did the orginal data table come from? Looks "official"? I'm skeptical.

There are studies, you can find them if you search. Also I saw some information lately that says 50% of women who dont have children by the age of 30 will never have children, and the vast majority of women over 50 who never had children regret it.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-gen-zs-gender-divide-reaches-politics-views-marriage-children-suc-rcna229255

 

[guywhofishes]

I know plenty of women who are married with kids and if that’s the definition of happiness and I was a chick I would definitely stay single. I chuckle at the do t tread on me but I’m gonna tell you how to live mentality.

From a financial standpoint getting married is a bad deal for men these days. Fair chance your going to loose half your shit.

Marrying up is key then, I reckon.

 

[Greenhorn]

I see it differently. But I don’t get hung up on the submissive part, heck it was in my wedding vows. But the world has changed and the fact is the women are now recognized for making sacrifices too. It’s not just about the man willing to give his life, kids, and wealth. The women are doing the same. And there is push back against that very mindset. I couldn’t do it without my wife. She gives more than me. I hope my daughters can find someone who recognizes that and the potential that they bring to the union. If they choose their happiness over children, so be it. Chastising them for it only worsens the result you’re concerned about.

I guess the main disagreement I have with this is the false feminist dichotomy of “choosing their own happiness over children”.
My kids have brought so much more joy to my life (and my wife’s life) than before, and you acknowledge the same with your family as well, which is awesome. It’s really a tragedy that people, especially young women, fail to see the positives of parenthood which far exceed the negatives.

 

[Fallguy]

Another thing to consider is other people's upbringing. I have students that have terrible home lives. Things that I take for granted or treat as "normal" might not even be a reality for some people.

In these cases I can see where having a family or kids might be a deterrence just because of what people know about a family or kids (in their world).

They might want to live a life completely different from what they have now.

On the other hand they may want to "break the mold" so to speak.

In reality, often it's the same families and blood lines repeating things. Law enforcement sees it. Judges see it. Education sees it.

 

[Rowdie]

I have a niece who is what some could consider a feminist, as she is a ranch girl who can weld (She's really good!), fix and run equipment, and Dr. cows and other livestock. But she is not for feminism, or left-wing politically. She is a strong Christian, with 2 boys, who don't ever play video games but are constantly outside and in sports. Oh and she backs the boat in. One time they (she) had to replace and pack a bearing on the trailer on the way to go fishing.

 

[risingsun]

^^^^^^^

I would call her damn handy certainly ,not a feminist.

 

[johnr]

Mrs johnr and I raised 4 children, together, both of us career people with fulltime jobs the entire journey. Not sure if her being the head of a bank was hindered with also being a mother of 4. Not sure how having kids, raising kids, going to sporting events, and traveling the country with them would have impeded her happiness.

I guess when it comes to careers, children and happiness you have to chose one or the other? I can also have a steak with a side dish, and a few drinks and be happy as pie. Thank God I don't have to chose either a drink or a steak?

Seems an odd argument. I do have 3 grown daughters, one with a husband and kids, all three seem just as happy as the other. Also you guys that feel a wife would be a poor choice, apparently made a poor choice when you chose the wrong wife. My life is so much better with mrs johnr than it was prior. The goods are gooder, the bads are less bad, when you have a person to share it all with.

Anyone putting a job over personal fulfillment is fine with me, but you can and should have both.

 

[Fallguy]

Also you guys that feel a wife would be a poor choice, apparently made a poor choice when you chose the wrong wife.

No comment.

 

[Lycanthrope]

Mrs johnr and I raised 4 children, together, both of us career people with fulltime jobs the entire journey. Not sure if her being the head of a bank was hindered with also being a mother of 4. Not sure how having kids, raising kids, going to sporting events, and traveling the country with them would have impeded her happiness.

I guess when it comes to careers, children and happiness you have to chose one or the other? I can also have a steak with a side dish, and a few drinks and be happy as pie. Thank God I don't have to chose either a drink or a steak?

Seems an odd argument. I do have 3 grown daughters, one with a husband and kids, all three seem just as happy as the other. Also you guys that feel a wife would be a poor choice, apparently made a poor choice when you chose the wrong wife. My life is so much better with mrs johnr than it was prior. The goods are gooder, the bads are less bad, when you have a person to share it all with.

Anyone putting a job over personal fulfillment is fine with me, but you can and should have both.

I dont think its nearly as much about the wrong wife as it is how feminism has changed our society to incentivize and encourage women to leave their husbands, both financially and by implanting unrealistic relationship goals in their heads. Something like 80% of divorces are initiated by women, and the vast majority arent because of abuse. Dont blame men for choosing the wrong wife when so many women are leaving, they arent leaving because they are "bad women"... 100 years ago those exact same women would have stayed married and the majority of them would have been happy with that choice.

 

[lunkerslayer]

I watched this documentary was really good and even the husband i believe ended up working part-time helping his wife run her families farm.

 

[Fester]

I have a niece who is what some could consider a feminist, as she is a ranch girl who can weld (She's really good!), fix and run equipment, and Dr. cows and other livestock. But she is not for feminism, or left-wing politically. She is a strong Christian, with 2 boys, who don't ever play video games but are constantly outside and in sports. Oh and she backs the boat in. One time they (she) had to replace and pack a bearing on the trailer on the way to go fishing.

Not a feminist..this is a well rounded confident lady that knows how to do shit. Big difference between the two.

 

[Traxion]

I guess the main disagreement I have with this is the false feminist dichotomy of “choosing their own happiness over children”.
My kids have brought so much more joy to my life (and my wife’s life) than before, and you acknowledge the same with your family as well, which is awesome. It’s really a tragedy that people, especially young women, fail to see the positives of parenthood which far exceed the negatives.

It’s easy for us with kids to not imagine being happy otherwise. I had to face that reality when faced with infertility. We were even faced with the likelihood that we’d never have children. We had long discussions on what happiness may be if that occurred. We’ve been blessed with two since then, but I’ll say I had processed to a point what life looked like without kids. I think I’d have been forever disappointed, but I would have made life happy.

I know a few women who don’t love kids. I know couples who look at the world today and don’t feel comfortable bringing children into it. It’s not feminism alone causing this, it’s the overall world we’re in. Its a huge life choice. And it’s not career versus family in most cases. I know plenty of people who can fit kids into their life and choose not to. They are happy in their world and that’s ok. Some people say those folks are selfish. I want parents to be parents by choice. If you don’t want kids, don’t have them. Live, enjoy life, contribute what you can to society.

I want my girls to pursue happiness where they find it. I’ll certainly give them my .02, but I’ll never pressure them to meet some outdated societal expectation of populating the world unless they choose to. They know as parents we’ve loved each minute with them. That alone will help guide them on the path they choose.

 

[Lycanthrope]

It’s easy for us with kids to not imagine being happy otherwise. I had to face that reality when faced with infertility. We were even faced with the likelihood that we’d never have children. We had long discussions on what happiness may be if that occurred. We’ve been blessed with two since then, but I’ll say I had processed to a point what life looked like without kids. I think I’d have been forever disappointed, but I would have made life happy.

I know a few women who don’t love kids. I know couples who look at the world today and don’t feel comfortable bringing children into it. It’s not feminism alone causing this, it’s the overall world we’re in. Its a huge life choice. And it’s not career versus family in most cases. I know plenty of people who can fit kids into their life and choose not to. They are happy in their world and that’s ok. Some people say those folks are selfish. I want parents to be parents by choice. If you don’t want kids, don’t have them. Live, enjoy life, contribute what you can to society.

I want my girls to pursue happiness where they find it. I’ll certainly give them my .02, but I’ll never pressure them to meet some outdated societal expectation of populating the world unless they choose to. They know as parents we’ve loved each minute with them. That alone will help guide them on the path they choose.

I think one of the largely overlooked things that young women dont foresee is the joy many older women have from relationships with their grandchildren. When they get to be 50 or so and their friends have grandchildren and all they have is netflix and a cat, they will begin to understand what they gave up by pursuing career over family in their 20s...

 

[Fallguy]

You hit that on the nose Lycan! My wife has an aunt who is a retired educator and was never married and never had kids. She was always real involved with my kids activities and seeing them on holidays etc. You can tell she is lonely though. I am sure that is hard.

 

[Traxion]

I think one of the largely overlooked things that young women dont foresee is the joy many older women have from relationships with their grandchildren. When they get to be 50 or so and their friends have grandchildren and all they have is netflix and a cat, they will begin to understand what they gave up by pursuing career over family in their 20s...

That is the hardest thing we had to think about. First, your friend circle is different. Not that you can’t hang out with families, but you don’t fit in that well. So you primary friends are those who don’t have kids. Family with kids is great but same issue there. The choice when made (or forced with infertility) isolates you in a way. And that follows you through life unquestionably.

You’re really hung up on the career vs. kids stance. Honestly I know very few who have said career is why they don’t have kids. More so, it’s the world we live in and not wanting to bring kids into it. It’s flexibility. It’s chasing other personal goals. I know multiple couples doing van life and working wherever they want. One is climbing every peak named in the west. They know their lifestyle wouldn’t be possible with kids. So they chose. And they work less than me lol. Selfish? Maybe. Will they regret it at old age? Who knows. It’s life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness at its fullest. And I won’t judge them for it.

 

[Sluggo]

Marrying up is key then, I reckon.

Or at least one that likes to fish. But I guess that’s the same thing.

 

[guywhofishes]

Or at least one that likes to fish. But I guess that’s the same thing.

Not entirely, no.