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<blockquote data-quote="Tymurrey" data-source="post: 240451" data-attributes="member: 859">I personally know my success rate is about the same, maybe slightly higher with baiting.&nbsp; What I do know is that my percentage of lost and wounded deer has gone down.&nbsp; Before bating my shots were usually longer and i'll be honest I screwed up sometimes.&nbsp; with bait my shot is usually 20 yards with a relaxed and unaware deer.&nbsp; Don't we try to make the cleanest fastest kills.&nbsp; Baiting wont hurt me one bit if I lose it, ill still shoot deer and I will still have decent success I had it before I could bait.&nbsp; I don't shoot big deer off my bait piles, they tend to come in at night until late winter when the drive for food has them coming in earlier.&nbsp; I've shot deer of my inlaws hay stacks in bad winters, is that baiting.&nbsp; what about mineral licks and small man made water holes.&nbsp; my habitat improvements and herd management has done more for me to kill deer than any baiting ever will. This ethical arguments between hunters is bullshit, we all hunt differently and could argue all day long.&nbsp; Baiting, roost busting, long range hunting, all this things will hurt peoples feelers and most arguments are based off personal beliefs.&nbsp; We sound like the far leftists pushing our agenda on others.&nbsp; By the way let me hurt other peoples feelings by making sure they know I got a gratis tag this year, I probably should mention that I also shot a doe with that gratis because that was what I felt was best for the herd.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tymurrey, post: 240451, member: 859"] I personally know my success rate is about the same, maybe slightly higher with baiting. What I do know is that my percentage of lost and wounded deer has gone down. Before bating my shots were usually longer and i'll be honest I screwed up sometimes. with bait my shot is usually 20 yards with a relaxed and unaware deer. Don't we try to make the cleanest fastest kills. Baiting wont hurt me one bit if I lose it, ill still shoot deer and I will still have decent success I had it before I could bait. I don't shoot big deer off my bait piles, they tend to come in at night until late winter when the drive for food has them coming in earlier. I've shot deer of my inlaws hay stacks in bad winters, is that baiting. what about mineral licks and small man made water holes. my habitat improvements and herd management has done more for me to kill deer than any baiting ever will. This ethical arguments between hunters is bullshit, we all hunt differently and could argue all day long. Baiting, roost busting, long range hunting, all this things will hurt peoples feelers and most arguments are based off personal beliefs. We sound like the far leftists pushing our agenda on others. By the way let me hurt other peoples feelings by making sure they know I got a gratis tag this year, I probably should mention that I also shot a doe with that gratis because that was what I felt was best for the herd. [/QUOTE]

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