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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PrairieGhost" data-source="post: 325073" data-attributes="member: 704"><p>I will have to disagree with you a little SDMF.  I have blown three inch holes in deer heart at 172 yards with 250 gr hard cast from a 44 mag rifle.  One has to ponder which does more damage a 44 or 45 hard cast that doesn't expand, or a 30 caliber that expands to 44.  Disregarding velocity of course.   Then consider penetration.  I am around people shooting 30-06 and 308 and often they find their bullets in the deer.  Although slow the heavy hard cast I have never found in a deer.  I see no need for expansion in my 45/70 300 gr hard cast at 2300 fps.</p></blockquote><p></p>

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