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<blockquote data-quote="dean nelson" data-source="post: 272442" data-attributes="member: 1305"><p>I think your missing my point and that was simply that there are ever increasing amounts of data that indicate that this condition is transferable to humans. The only thing I was commenting on in my original post was simply that if the data keeps heading the way it's heading it will not take some sort of mutation for the prions to morph into something that could take out a human instead its quite likely they are already there.</p><p></p><p> When it comes to CWD I've ened up through sheer dumb luck getting a front row seat on it and it's spread since i was a kid. The area in Colorado where I've spent large amounts of time working, hunting and fishing is literally just over the hill from where this all began. Then add in I was spending large amounts of time in central WI the summer when they first found it there and went on there ridiculously ill-conceived eradication plan of all the deer in the area. And even here the unit I hunt is also the exact same area were CWD was first found in the state and only about 20 miles from where I do most of my hunting. And having seen these areas and their progression over a long period of time including the Colorado area that I've been actively hunting since the early 90s I can tell you that ironically almost all of these areas have higher big game populations of deer elk and moose then when I first hunted them. I fully agree with you US fish and wildlife service the DNR and or own Game and Fish Department and pretty much anyone else that has to do with Wildlife Resource Management tends to overreact highly on this subject and because of that we now have stories all over the major media of zombie deer which isn't even remotely bombastic.::: Now that the info is coming back in that the meat may also quite possibly be bad that adds a whole new dimension to it because before that the only real impact I could ever come to after doing all the math was that you could have a definite decrease in Trophy Bucks since they just wouldn't live long enough to get big. overall a young deer population will still continue on just fine they just won't get as old as they used to. Now if the Deer do in fact become inedible that obviously is going to throw big wrench in the whole system because positive rates in some of the core areas are extremely high. So once again my whole point for the original post was not to disagree with you on the overreaction aspect that these Wildlife departments have done it was simply to point out that there's strong evidence starting to come in that this disease does not need to morph to become a serious problems it may well be there now. Some of the worst areas are in the 40% range and needless to say that's going to cause huge problems if it is in fact transmissible. But one thing I do know for a fact is if the rate of which it takes out a heard stays the same as I've seen it especially down in Colorado the one thing that is abundantly clear is this is not a problem any person on this thread is likely to ever see any major real world repercussions from this in their lifetime other than the overzealous application of rediculus rules from organizations that now have become far too similar to politicians then game managers!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dean nelson, post: 272442, member: 1305"] I think your missing my point and that was simply that there are ever increasing amounts of data that indicate that this condition is transferable to humans. The only thing I was commenting on in my original post was simply that if the data keeps heading the way it's heading it will not take some sort of mutation for the prions to morph into something that could take out a human instead its quite likely they are already there. When it comes to CWD I've ened up through sheer dumb luck getting a front row seat on it and it's spread since i was a kid. The area in Colorado where I've spent large amounts of time working, hunting and fishing is literally just over the hill from where this all began. Then add in I was spending large amounts of time in central WI the summer when they first found it there and went on there ridiculously ill-conceived eradication plan of all the deer in the area. And even here the unit I hunt is also the exact same area were CWD was first found in the state and only about 20 miles from where I do most of my hunting. And having seen these areas and their progression over a long period of time including the Colorado area that I've been actively hunting since the early 90s I can tell you that ironically almost all of these areas have higher big game populations of deer elk and moose then when I first hunted them. I fully agree with you US fish and wildlife service the DNR and or own Game and Fish Department and pretty much anyone else that has to do with Wildlife Resource Management tends to overreact highly on this subject and because of that we now have stories all over the major media of zombie deer which isn't even remotely bombastic.::: Now that the info is coming back in that the meat may also quite possibly be bad that adds a whole new dimension to it because before that the only real impact I could ever come to after doing all the math was that you could have a definite decrease in Trophy Bucks since they just wouldn't live long enough to get big. overall a young deer population will still continue on just fine they just won't get as old as they used to. Now if the Deer do in fact become inedible that obviously is going to throw big wrench in the whole system because positive rates in some of the core areas are extremely high. So once again my whole point for the original post was not to disagree with you on the overreaction aspect that these Wildlife departments have done it was simply to point out that there's strong evidence starting to come in that this disease does not need to morph to become a serious problems it may well be there now. Some of the worst areas are in the 40% range and needless to say that's going to cause huge problems if it is in fact transmissible. But one thing I do know for a fact is if the rate of which it takes out a heard stays the same as I've seen it especially down in Colorado the one thing that is abundantly clear is this is not a problem any person on this thread is likely to ever see any major real world repercussions from this in their lifetime other than the overzealous application of rediculus rules from organizations that now have become far too similar to politicians then game managers! [/QUOTE]
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