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<blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 180625" data-attributes="member: 373">I would just as soon the govt stay out of ranching. When the govt involves itself in your industry providing payments of most any kind it becomes a snake eating itself by its tail. For every bite gained, you come closer to the end of private industry and free markets.I have RARELY seen the govt get any of these programs right without some loop hole that can be exploited. There are people in ag like any other industry that will play the system. Those that figure it out get ahead of those that don;t and to compete you have to choose to either ignore your ideals and make the same choices they are or lose out to higher bids for land, bigger machinery that allows more land to be farmed ect. Indeed as i have said before these dollars as you say are turned over many times in communities but at what cost. Unfortunately when these programs come up bankers encourage very strongly to enter into them so if one is not at a point where the payments aren;t needed you get pushed to jump in. Do they help when times are tough....yes. At what cost in the long run.........</blockquote>

[QUOTE="gst, post: 180625, member: 373"] I would just as soon the govt stay out of ranching. When the govt involves itself in your industry providing payments of most any kind it becomes a snake eating itself by its tail. For every bite gained, you come closer to the end of private industry and free markets. I have RARELY seen the govt get any of these programs right without some loop hole that can be exploited. There are people in ag like any other industry that will play the system. Those that figure it out get ahead of those that don;t and to compete you have to choose to either ignore your ideals and make the same choices they are or lose out to higher bids for land, bigger machinery that allows more land to be farmed ect. Indeed as i have said before these dollars as you say are turned over many times in communities but at what cost. Unfortunately when these programs come up bankers encourage very strongly to enter into them so if one is not at a point where the payments aren;t needed you get pushed to jump in. Do they help when times are tough....yes. At what cost in the long run......... [/QUOTE]

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