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<blockquote data-quote="Traxion" data-source="post: 315639" data-attributes="member: 983">It can be hard to determine.&nbsp; Simple Google searches come up with wildly different numbers on energy production from wind &amp; solar.&nbsp; I think the environmental concerns brought up are legit.&nbsp; I've seen wind farms go in and the concrete alone is incredible.&nbsp; Add in the dirt work, etc. and the inputs are incredible just to get spot to put them.&nbsp; Lifespan who knows, but we certainly need to know how to get rid of the old stuff in the future.&nbsp; Comparing those unknown environmental impacts to hydrocarbon emissions today is difficult at best.&nbsp; What is going to be worst long term?&nbsp; I feel batteries alone should be recyclable by then....they'll have to be just because of a shortage of the minerals.&nbsp; But piles and piles of junk turbines and solar panels won't be an easy one to solve.I feel we will still have a mix.&nbsp; Wind/solar will eventually shoulder the biggest power load with &quot;peaker&quot; style gas power plants always idling to take care of demand issues, be it heat, cold, cloudy weather, or no wind.&nbsp; But no matter I think wind &amp; solar will continue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Traxion, post: 315639, member: 983"] It can be hard to determine. Simple Google searches come up with wildly different numbers on energy production from wind & solar. I think the environmental concerns brought up are legit. I've seen wind farms go in and the concrete alone is incredible. Add in the dirt work, etc. and the inputs are incredible just to get spot to put them. Lifespan who knows, but we certainly need to know how to get rid of the old stuff in the future. Comparing those unknown environmental impacts to hydrocarbon emissions today is difficult at best. What is going to be worst long term? I feel batteries alone should be recyclable by then....they'll have to be just because of a shortage of the minerals. But piles and piles of junk turbines and solar panels won't be an easy one to solve. I feel we will still have a mix. Wind/solar will eventually shoulder the biggest power load with "peaker" style gas power plants always idling to take care of demand issues, be it heat, cold, cloudy weather, or no wind. But no matter I think wind & solar will continue. [/QUOTE]

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