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<blockquote data-quote="Davy Crockett" data-source="post: 257498" data-attributes="member: 367">I'll throw my honest 2 cents worth if even if I do get dogpiled .&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I think there are variety of reasons , Not just one.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some is pure orneriness no doubt about that and there truly are parcels of solid timber in ND that haven't been pastured in 50 years where it's dang near impossible to properly post, Few and far between but they do exist.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I think mostly landowners are tired of people that don't have two licks of common sense doing little things and they don't realize how a bunch of people doing a bunch of &quot;little&quot; things can eventually add up to a big thing.&nbsp; &nbsp; Stuff like cars parked in the way for field equipment , Gates left open ,garbage dumped , target shooters shooting at old cars and farm equipment, Grab a few parts off an old car that nobody is using, Cut a couple trees for firewood since there are so many etc.&nbsp; It's all real stuff and it happens .&nbsp; &nbsp; None of it is necessarily done by hunters but people that just don't have enough common sense to think about their actions.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I feel for those in the middle of the bakken , They had a pretty good lifestyle going before the oil boom and all of a sudden they have a mix of squatters , thieves and good people everywhere they look.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm guessing a lot of them went from leaving keys and guns in the pickup overnight just a few years ago to having to lock everything up tight as a drum and still sleeping with one eye open.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; I can relate somewhat to that being in a recreational community and close to a reservation.&nbsp;&nbsp; Times have changed tremendously in the last 10-15 years where I live.&nbsp; Don't get me wrong, I have some great Native American friends but when you congregation a bunch of people from any walk of life you get a few bad apples.&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; The sad thing is that sportsmen that play by the rules are paying the ultimate price ,&nbsp; The natural thing and the right thing is to oppose anything that is anti hunting , Until I see the final draft and read it with my own eyes I won't take anyone's word if 2315 is anything close to what people claim it's &quot;going&quot; to be.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Where the fuses burn fast and the opposition and friction get hot between hunters and landowners is when hunters tell landowners that there is no problem and to piss off.&nbsp; &nbsp; Some landowners are fortunate that they don't have problems others not so lucky.&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm telling you boys ,&nbsp;&nbsp; For the future of the sport we need to try to work this out the best we can with property owners instead of against property owners because the ones having problems and getting overrun by a bunch of people doing little things don't like to be told that there is no problem, I'm one of them so I can relate to that feeling.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; That's my take on what I see of it ,&nbsp; I have never claimed to have an answer I want to see what the final draft of 2315 is before I say if I support it or not but I am in favor of doing something VS nothing.&nbsp;&nbsp; Haven't had time to discuss or even think much about what has been said as far as solving the problem been too busy arguing whether I have a problem or not .</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Davy Crockett, post: 257498, member: 367"] I'll throw my honest 2 cents worth if even if I do get dogpiled . I think there are variety of reasons , Not just one. Some is pure orneriness no doubt about that and there truly are parcels of solid timber in ND that haven't been pastured in 50 years where it's dang near impossible to properly post, Few and far between but they do exist. I think mostly landowners are tired of people that don't have two licks of common sense doing little things and they don't realize how a bunch of people doing a bunch of "little" things can eventually add up to a big thing. Stuff like cars parked in the way for field equipment , Gates left open ,garbage dumped , target shooters shooting at old cars and farm equipment, Grab a few parts off an old car that nobody is using, Cut a couple trees for firewood since there are so many etc. It's all real stuff and it happens . None of it is necessarily done by hunters but people that just don't have enough common sense to think about their actions. I feel for those in the middle of the bakken , They had a pretty good lifestyle going before the oil boom and all of a sudden they have a mix of squatters , thieves and good people everywhere they look. I'm guessing a lot of them went from leaving keys and guns in the pickup overnight just a few years ago to having to lock everything up tight as a drum and still sleeping with one eye open. I can relate somewhat to that being in a recreational community and close to a reservation. Times have changed tremendously in the last 10-15 years where I live. Don't get me wrong, I have some great Native American friends but when you congregation a bunch of people from any walk of life you get a few bad apples. The sad thing is that sportsmen that play by the rules are paying the ultimate price , The natural thing and the right thing is to oppose anything that is anti hunting , Until I see the final draft and read it with my own eyes I won't take anyone's word if 2315 is anything close to what people claim it's "going" to be. Where the fuses burn fast and the opposition and friction get hot between hunters and landowners is when hunters tell landowners that there is no problem and to piss off. Some landowners are fortunate that they don't have problems others not so lucky. I'm telling you boys , For the future of the sport we need to try to work this out the best we can with property owners instead of against property owners because the ones having problems and getting overrun by a bunch of people doing little things don't like to be told that there is no problem, I'm one of them so I can relate to that feeling. That's my take on what I see of it , I have never claimed to have an answer I want to see what the final draft of 2315 is before I say if I support it or not but I am in favor of doing something VS nothing. Haven't had time to discuss or even think much about what has been said as far as solving the problem been too busy arguing whether I have a problem or not . [/QUOTE]

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