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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 84116" data-attributes="member: 373">Holy smokes guys, can;t we have a discussion about a topic without it turning into a back and forth pissin match...................<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />I don;t mind lions being here and being managed, but KDM has some valid points, no one can know to what degree the deer population is being impacted because no one has any core base numbers to start from. The G&F do not do counts as they would like people to believe. Their "numbers" are based on statistical data results and in the past the "formula" behind those numbers they actually collect (hunter success, days in the field ect...) was flawed because they were not considering outside influences like how many feet of snow was on the ground blocking roads as to what was impacting hunter success. Randy Kriel showed me results of the hunter success surveys for two seasons in our unit and told me that because they had dropped roughly 15% that told them there were less deer in those units so they cut tag back the following year. I asked him if he stopped to consider the fact we had two consecutive years of 1 1/2 feet of snow that blocked roads limiting travel had anything ot do with lower success numbers and it was clear from his response they had never considered that. We ended up with waaay more deer and numbers increasing for the next several years.....(which maybe that was the goal in the beginning) Then with too many deer............well everyone knows the story. It would be curious to know if the percentage of a lions diet that is mule deer changes as mule deer numbers drop. I'm guessing the G&F is hearing from people that never hunt mule deer in the badlands not caring if there is lions out there that think well maybe I'll go out calling in the winter and have a crack at one. (most of these people never will but they still impact what the G&F hear at a meeting in say Fargo on mt lions in the Badlands. ) Kinda like old liberal bob wanting wyoming ot manage wolves so he could come shoot one when he visits from nd.   But hey guys, try not to turn this into a 55 pager if you can help it............<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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