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<blockquote data-quote="KDM" data-source="post: 246664" data-attributes="member: 314"><p>A few things to keep in mind Davey.&nbsp; First and foremost, I am ALL for landowner rights.&nbsp; However, this isn't a bill that affects just two groups.&nbsp; Second, as the number of landowners diminishes due to larger and larger farms, so does the number of votes they can muster to defend landowner rights.&nbsp; Third, saying &quot;Most&quot; when describing the mentality of large ranchers and landowners is painting with the same broad brush you vigorously chastise everyone else for using in their posts.&nbsp; You vehemently proclaim nobody can know your mind and yet you are lumping all these landowners together like you know theirs.&nbsp; IME, it is difficult to find three Ranchers or Farmers to agree on anything when it comes to raising their products or managing their land.&nbsp; Just sit in a cenex coffee shop some time and listen.&nbsp; Fourth, without non-landowner types supporting landowners with respect to depredation complaints, subsidies, conservation programs, environmental policies, ag policies, and all manner of additional issues right down to allowing variances in road weight limits during harvests to accommodate grain trucks and waste management for ranches, ag interests of any kind have a much more difficult time promoting the issues that affect/benefit them.&nbsp; We are all connected.&nbsp; This bill affects everyone in ND, not just landowners and hunters and it is BAD in any form which will do nothing but hurt everyone in ND.&nbsp; As such, I'm not one to sit back and wait to see what happens.&nbsp; If I and others had waited to see what happened, this crappy bill might have not even been changed and I hope it completely dies as a result of the same NOT wait and see attitude of so many other ND folks who have so intensely opposed this garbage bill.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="KDM, post: 246664, member: 314"] A few things to keep in mind Davey. First and foremost, I am ALL for landowner rights. However, this isn't a bill that affects just two groups. Second, as the number of landowners diminishes due to larger and larger farms, so does the number of votes they can muster to defend landowner rights. Third, saying "Most" when describing the mentality of large ranchers and landowners is painting with the same broad brush you vigorously chastise everyone else for using in their posts. You vehemently proclaim nobody can know your mind and yet you are lumping all these landowners together like you know theirs. IME, it is difficult to find three Ranchers or Farmers to agree on anything when it comes to raising their products or managing their land. Just sit in a cenex coffee shop some time and listen. Fourth, without non-landowner types supporting landowners with respect to depredation complaints, subsidies, conservation programs, environmental policies, ag policies, and all manner of additional issues right down to allowing variances in road weight limits during harvests to accommodate grain trucks and waste management for ranches, ag interests of any kind have a much more difficult time promoting the issues that affect/benefit them. We are all connected. This bill affects everyone in ND, not just landowners and hunters and it is BAD in any form which will do nothing but hurt everyone in ND. As such, I'm not one to sit back and wait to see what happens. If I and others had waited to see what happened, this crappy bill might have not even been changed and I hope it completely dies as a result of the same NOT wait and see attitude of so many other ND folks who have so intensely opposed this garbage bill. [/QUOTE]

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