OUR LAND, LEASED OUT

[ndlongshot]

They can post, but it needs to have official signs from State School Lands Dept and NO ONE can hunt it including the rancher.

School lands per the state constitution are to be managed to create revenue for the school trust fund. Not the general fund. Last I heard it was doing quite well (billions)

 

[Obi-Wan]

i guess i always thought state land was open to hunt even if its used for grazing and has cattle on it

I believe there are two ways they can post it. one is " notify lessee before entering " and the other is NO HUNTING. both of these signs have to be from the State land signs. if the sign says no hunting there is no hunting allowed by anyone including the lessee

 

[Fritz the Cat]

Fritz, how is the lease income from school land currently managed? Is it managed for school use only or does it go into a general fund. Not arguing with you but would just like to know.

https://www.land.nd.gov/land-board

 

[Obi-Wan]

I hunt state sections unless they are loaded with cows or pastured to nothing but there is usually something worth hunting on all of them, I have never run into land locked state land.

There is a section N of Center that had a notify Lessee sign. Both times I notified him he said either his son was hunting it or his daughter was hunting it. I told him I did what was required of me and was going to hunt it. when there both times nobody was hunting the section, he just didn't want me hunting " HIS LAND " The last time I drove by it the sign was a state land " NO HUNTING " sign. The area typically holds a couple mule deer.

 

[Bacon]

Here’s the deal. School land comes up for rent every five years. Open to the public. If you want to rent it, just show up and bid on it.

 

[tikkalover]

And put 1 goat on it and post it.

 

[Obi-Wan]

And put 1 goat on it and post it.

 

[Bacon]

And put 1 goat on it and post it.

Well, it wouldn’t be over grazed anyway. Don’t know how well it would cash flow though.

 

[Pheasant 54]

Well, it wouldn’t be over grazed anyway. Don’t know how well it would cash flow though.

You just put the goat in during deer season

 

[Ponyroper]

so they can post state land? I have hunted state land a lot, never even bothered to check if it was posted, just assumed its state land and open to hunting....... how can anyone post public state land? I hope this isn't true......

State trust lands are always open to the public for walking access only UNLESS the lessee requests to post the land. The lessee must state a specific term for the land to be posted and there must be livestock on the land at all times during the posted term. When the livestock are removed or the term expires the lessee is supposed to remove the signs. Sometimes the lessees do not take the time to remove the signs as they are supposed to. When I do land inspections and I see outdated posters I tear them down. If there are no cattle on the tract and it is posted I report it to my bosses and I guarantee the lessee will be contacted about it immediately and I am often sent back out to recheck for compliance shortly thereafter. If I report non-compliance with the terms of the lease one of my bosses will personally check to see what the land looks like and if the lessee continues to overgraze the land they could be put on a strict grazing plan or lose their lease entirely. If a tract is placed on a grazing plan a field inspector will be sent out monthly during the grazing season to be sure the lessee only uses the tract for the allotted time with the number of livestock allowed. There has been a lot of misinformation and unsupported allegations made on this thread. Go to the State Trust Lands web site and read the rules and regulations pertaining to use of trust lands. I have been working for the trust lands department for over 10 years and can honestly say the people there are some of the most conscientious and dedicated state employees you will find. They are certainly not like most of our elected officials.

 

[Trip McNeely]

School lands need to provide revenue to the schools. Currently hunters bring no revenue to the table. I think they should tack a $5 state lands access fee to every resident general game and habitat license and $20 to every non resident general game and habitat sold. In return state land cannot be posted to public access and cattle have to be off by a certain date in the fall. Be pretty tough for ranchers to argue against that considering how cheap the rent is on some of these school sections.

As much as I hate paying more for anything this seems like a pretty sensible solution. Also if this money is in a school trust fund which is in the billions why in the actual hell do our school portion of property taxes continue to climb?

 

[Pheasant 54]

State trust lands are always open to the public for walking access only UNLESS the lessee requests to post the land. The lessee must state a specific term for the land to be posted and there must be livestock on the land at all times during the posted term. When the livestock are removed or the term expires the lessee is supposed to remove the signs. Sometimes the lessees do not take the time to remove the signs as they are supposed to. When I do land inspections and I see outdated posters I tear them down. If there are no cattle on the tract and it is posted I report it to my bosses and I guarantee the lessee will be contacted about it immediately and I am often sent back out to recheck for compliance shortly thereafter. If I report non-compliance with the terms of the lease one of my bosses will personally check to see what the land looks like and if the lessee continues to overgraze the land they could be put on a strict grazing plan or lose their lease entirely. If a tract is placed on a grazing plan a field inspector will be sent out monthly during the grazing season to be sure the lessee only uses the tract for the allotted time with the number of livestock allowed. There has been a lot of misinformation and unsupported allegations made on this thread. Go to the State Trust Lands web site and read the rules and regulations pertaining to use of trust lands. I have been working for the trust lands department for over 10 years and can honestly say the people there are some of the most conscientious and dedicated state employees you will find. They are certainly not like most of our elected officials.

Lessees not taking down the signs is obviously done on purpose . Just like putting one critter in the pasture until the day after season.

 

[Ponyroper]

Lessees not taking down the signs is obviously done on purpose . Just like putting one critter in the pasture until the day after season.

I don't know what area you hunt in but I've done lots of posting spot checks over the years and have never seen that done.

 

[scrotcaster]

State trust lands are always open to the public for walking access only UNLESS the lessee requests to post the land. The lessee must state a specific term for the land to be posted and there must be livestock on the land at all times during the posted term. When the livestock are removed or the term expires the lessee is supposed to remove the signs. Sometimes the lessees do not take the time to remove the signs as they are supposed to. When I do land inspections and I see outdated posters I tear them down. If there are no cattle on the tract and it is posted I report it to my bosses and I guarantee the lessee will be contacted about it immediately and I am often sent back out to recheck for compliance shortly thereafter. If I report non-compliance with the terms of the lease one of my bosses will personally check to see what the land looks like and if the lessee continues to overgraze the land they could be put on a strict grazing plan or lose their lease entirely. If a tract is placed on a grazing plan a field inspector will be sent out monthly during the grazing season to be sure the lessee only uses the tract for the allotted time with the number of livestock allowed. There has been a lot of misinformation and unsupported allegations made on this thread. Go to the State Trust Lands web site and read the rules and regulations pertaining to use of trust lands. I have been working for the trust lands department for over 10 years and can honestly say the people there are some of the most conscientious and dedicated state employees you will find. They are certainly not like most of our elected officials.

Thank you for providing facts and boots-on the ground observations! Keep up the good work. Now we just need to figure out how to not get all the state land on the Standing Rock to be sold off like they have proposed.

 

[Colt45]

State trust lands are always open to the public for walking access only UNLESS the lessee requests to post the land. The lessee must state a specific term for the land to be posted and there must be livestock on the land at all times during the posted term. When the livestock are removed or the term expires the lessee is supposed to remove the signs. Sometimes the lessees do not take the time to remove the signs as they are supposed to. When I do land inspections and I see outdated posters I tear them down. If there are no cattle on the tract and it is posted I report it to my bosses and I guarantee the lessee will be contacted about it immediately and I am often sent back out to recheck for compliance shortly thereafter. If I report non-compliance with the terms of the lease one of my bosses will personally check to see what the land looks like and if the lessee continues to overgraze the land they could be put on a strict grazing plan or lose their lease entirely. If a tract is placed on a grazing plan a field inspector will be sent out monthly during the grazing season to be sure the lessee only uses the tract for the allotted time with the number of livestock allowed. There has been a lot of misinformation and unsupported allegations made on this thread. Go to the State Trust Lands web site and read the rules and regulations pertaining to use of trust lands. I have been working for the trust lands department for over 10 years and can honestly say the people there are some of the most conscientious and dedicated state employees you will find. They are certainly not like most of our elected officials.

Thank you for the info, it is very helpful! I was not aware that state land could be posted.

 

[savage270]

I've run into the same thing on one of my favorite state parcels to hunt. The guy puts 2 horses in a half section of school land during deer season.The simple solution to this BS is to require lessees to have their animals out of the pasture during hunting season. They can graze it the other 8 months of the year and use their own pastures during hunting season.