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Message: <blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 207367" data-attributes="member: 373">KDM I am providing just a few links of what actually IS happening that shows one does NOT have the ultimate authority over what is done on their private property as you seem ot claim. WOTUS is only as far gone as the next Democratic Congress and president as those groups that SUE and SETTLE to get their agendas accomplished  are still well funded  and in some cases supported even by sportsmen  and THAT is the "point" indeed the land owner decides whether or not to sign up for CRP but these orgs DO in fact play a LARGE role in that choice when they impact those programs with their sue and settle actions. And what I am trying to tell you that in ranching country producers were still interested in CRP had it not been for these sue and settle orgs and their efforts. If you want to actually have a discussion about possible solutions to habitat in ND you need to understand and accept these wildlife and in some instances sportsmen orgs  DO in FACT play a role in what the land owner chooses to do. Ignoring the impact groups like DU and others have in working with landowners to develop habitat is foolish and counter productive if in  fact your goal is to increase habitat. If you don;t think it is, explain why DU's M 5 lost so badly.- - - Updated - - -  I am not pasting examples of people pissed becasue their taxes go to Obama phones, I am giving examples of govt agencies and regulations that restrict, regulate and control what you can do with private property even if you are not involved in any govt program at all. I am trying ot point out these restrictions are often the result of wildlife/sportsmen/environmental orgs sue and settle policies. Who said conservation programs should cease to exist? Why would you make such an assinine claim? What you seem not able to understand is what is being said is that if we want conservation programs that actually work (you have to get people enrolled for them to work) the efforts of orgs like the  NWF and many others can not be ignored. Partner with or support the wrong wildlife/sportsmen orgs and you simply will not get support from those whose lands you want habitat on. If you don;t think so pull into farmers yards, tell them you are from DU and want to partner with them to save their wetlands. Pull into a ranchers yard and tell them you are from the Sierra Club and want to partner with them to save their grasslands. Jeesh I really didn;t think that was going ot be such a hard concept to grasp.</blockquote>

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