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<blockquote data-quote="PrairieGhost" data-source="post: 108651" data-attributes="member: 704">I would try one of the Hodgdon that is less temp sensitive.&nbsp; Maybe Retumbo is to slow, but I would give it a try.&nbsp; So far I have not had great luck with the three new IMR temp insensitive powders.&nbsp; Perhaps ok, but they have not grouped with my 308, 300WSM, or 6.5 Creedmoor.&nbsp; velocity wasn't that great either.People have their pet loads, but I suspect if they dig deep enough they will then understand that it's their rifle that has the pet load preference.&nbsp; My old 308 grouped 3/8 inch all day long with TAC.&nbsp; I kept telling everyone to use TAC.&nbsp; Many told me to try Varget.&nbsp; I already had and it was terrible.&nbsp; Well the 1/12 twist would not stabilize subsonic 165 gr.&nbsp; So I have a new Bartlein barrel.&nbsp; Now it stabilizes the 180 subsonic.&nbsp; However, now it doesn't like TAC and shoots under 1/4 inch with ------ yup Varget with a 178 A-Max or the new 178 ELD-X.&nbsp; I'm more careful now in how stubborn I am about powders.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="PrairieGhost, post: 108651, member: 704"] I would try one of the Hodgdon that is less temp sensitive. Maybe Retumbo is to slow, but I would give it a try. So far I have not had great luck with the three new IMR temp insensitive powders. Perhaps ok, but they have not grouped with my 308, 300WSM, or 6.5 Creedmoor. velocity wasn't that great either. People have their pet loads, but I suspect if they dig deep enough they will then understand that it's their rifle that has the pet load preference. My old 308 grouped 3/8 inch all day long with TAC. I kept telling everyone to use TAC. Many told me to try Varget. I already had and it was terrible. Well the 1/12 twist would not stabilize subsonic 165 gr. So I have a new Bartlein barrel. Now it stabilizes the 180 subsonic. However, now it doesn't like TAC and shoots under 1/4 inch with ------ yup Varget with a 178 A-Max or the new 178 ELD-X. I'm more careful now in how stubborn I am about powders. [/QUOTE]

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