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<blockquote data-quote="wct12" data-source="post: 439079" data-attributes="member: 8117"><p>I realize they aren’t deer Brock. Does every living organism need some form of nutrition in there? Yes. Does nutrition help all forms of life?.. yes. Is better nutrition more beneficial? Yes. </p><p></p><p>If you want to head north I can show you however many wintering grounds for whitetails you would like. 90% of these deer do not leave a section of land, and the 10% that do do it to go to a slough for thermal cover and cover right back to that feed source in the winter. I can show you tracks after a fresh snow where deer travel for miles (10-15 miles to wintering grounds up here past land that has fantastic thermal cover just for a better food source, even if it isn’t a hay yard or elevator.)</p><p></p><p>Predation travels to where ever deer herds are in North Dakota. When we kill 1 pack calling with thermals another pack moves in within a few days. I’ll get 50 trail cam pics of coyote packs a day, Then nothing for 5 days and bam.. another pack shows up. Prey animals travel to food sources, predators follow pretty to food, even in 100% natural settings. </p><p></p><p>I’ve said I understand the acidosis thing to you I don’t know how many times. How many times have I called for the department to go dump 2,500 bushels of corn out because that version of supplemental feeding will solve all the worlds problems?.. never. I even state earlier in this thread that when we do we usually use a couple different forms of hay, very little grain, and move snow so they can graze beans and corn on their own. I’ve never said winterkill goes to 0, hell, I even shot pretty low in my opinion at 5-10% increased survival odds in the thread you quoted.</p><p></p><p>If you as a sportsmen cared about deer herds, you would be willing to work with the department to provide good supplemental feed. Instead you’re so focused on a disease that has killed possibly 1 deer in North Dakota, has caused no MASSIVE die offs (maybe it contributes a bit to winter kill numbers in Sask or Alberta, areas where winter is just as hard or harder then here and they have more thermal cover), and is a possibility to be detrimental to the deer herds health. You’re using a possibility, instead of what’s directly in front of you. CWD isn’t causing massive population declines in high prevalence areas, maybe slight decline more so then just the natural lifecycle, but I can show you massive decline in North Dakota’s deer herds due to starvation and winter kill, and I would like to keep the population high enough and healthy enough that in 10-15 years there is even enough of a herd that we can still be talking about CWD (I wish we could eradicate it from the state but we can’t) instead of just talking about the time we used to be able to have 55,000 tags in North Dakota 10 years prior and how that number dropped by 200% again due to habitat loss and winter kills.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wct12, post: 439079, member: 8117"] I realize they aren’t deer Brock. Does every living organism need some form of nutrition in there? Yes. Does nutrition help all forms of life?.. yes. Is better nutrition more beneficial? Yes. If you want to head north I can show you however many wintering grounds for whitetails you would like. 90% of these deer do not leave a section of land, and the 10% that do do it to go to a slough for thermal cover and cover right back to that feed source in the winter. I can show you tracks after a fresh snow where deer travel for miles (10-15 miles to wintering grounds up here past land that has fantastic thermal cover just for a better food source, even if it isn’t a hay yard or elevator.) Predation travels to where ever deer herds are in North Dakota. When we kill 1 pack calling with thermals another pack moves in within a few days. I’ll get 50 trail cam pics of coyote packs a day, Then nothing for 5 days and bam.. another pack shows up. Prey animals travel to food sources, predators follow pretty to food, even in 100% natural settings. I’ve said I understand the acidosis thing to you I don’t know how many times. How many times have I called for the department to go dump 2,500 bushels of corn out because that version of supplemental feeding will solve all the worlds problems?.. never. I even state earlier in this thread that when we do we usually use a couple different forms of hay, very little grain, and move snow so they can graze beans and corn on their own. I’ve never said winterkill goes to 0, hell, I even shot pretty low in my opinion at 5-10% increased survival odds in the thread you quoted. If you as a sportsmen cared about deer herds, you would be willing to work with the department to provide good supplemental feed. Instead you’re so focused on a disease that has killed possibly 1 deer in North Dakota, has caused no MASSIVE die offs (maybe it contributes a bit to winter kill numbers in Sask or Alberta, areas where winter is just as hard or harder then here and they have more thermal cover), and is a possibility to be detrimental to the deer herds health. You’re using a possibility, instead of what’s directly in front of you. CWD isn’t causing massive population declines in high prevalence areas, maybe slight decline more so then just the natural lifecycle, but I can show you massive decline in North Dakota’s deer herds due to starvation and winter kill, and I would like to keep the population high enough and healthy enough that in 10-15 years there is even enough of a herd that we can still be talking about CWD (I wish we could eradicate it from the state but we can’t) instead of just talking about the time we used to be able to have 55,000 tags in North Dakota 10 years prior and how that number dropped by 200% again due to habitat loss and winter kills. [/QUOTE]
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