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<blockquote data-quote="gst" data-source="post: 152989" data-attributes="member: 373"><p>There is a thread over on FBO when the Randy Newburg thread was going on where I shared extensive information and the links to it explaining the history of Federal lands in the US. plainsman could weigh in if he remembers the thread name. It was pretty though and complete spelling out the intent of these lands from the start were for the state to sell or manage them to fund various . I believe the word in the document was "dispose of" . </p><p> </p><p>As to your question about lands east of the miz. NDSU is a land grant college. </p><p></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Land-Grant_Acts" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Land-Grant_Acts</a></p><p></p><p><a href="https://www.nap.edu/read/4980/chapter/2" target="_blank">https://www.nap.edu/read/4980/chapter/2</a></p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then the states should be able to refuse the transfer. </p><p></p><p>It seems from your article that there exists an existing budget shortfall which is caused by the Feds mismanagemntof these federal lads. For some reason Wyonming gets a bigger cut than other states so if the Feds mismangage the leasing there is a bigger shortfall. </p><p></p><p><strong>"<span style="color: #444444"><span style="font-family: inherit">On the other side are critics of the federal government’s bureaucracy. They note that it can take over a decade to permit grazing, mining, drilling and wind projects. Wyoming’s cut of that development is about $1 billion a year, money that funds schools and state agencies.</span></span></strong><span style="color: #231F20"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="color: #444444">This session, lawmakers must figure out how to close a $400 million shortfall in the state’s two-year budget. Lawmakers are also facing a deficit of over $1 billion in school funding in coming years that they will also attempt to tackle during the 2017 session, which continues through early March.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #231F20"><span style="font-family: inherit"></span></span></p><p>Wyoming relies heavily on coal revenues.....the last years years there has been a war on coal ,,,,,,they can not afford much of anything. </p><p></p><p><a href="http://bollier.org/interior-departments-oil-lease-scandal-and-its-lessons-commons" target="_blank">http://bollier.org/interior-departments-oil-lease-scandal-and-its-lessons-commons</a></p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/joe-setyon/leases-oil-gas-federal-lands-down-17-under-obama" target="_blank">http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/joe-setyon/leases-oil-gas-federal-lands-down-17-under-obama</a></p><p></p><p>The system is broken.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated 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Context</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px">Congress granted state trust lands to newly organized states entering the Union. These lands were meant to be managed to support essential public institutions. While many state trust lands have passed into private ownership, the remaining 46 million acres, concentrated in the western U.S., represent a significant part of the landscape. Unlike other public lands, most state trust lands are held in trust for designated beneficiaries, principally public schools. State trust managers lease and sell these lands for a diverse range of uses to meet their fiduciary responsibility – generating revenue for the designated beneficiaries, today and for future generations. Proceeds are distributed into a state’s permanent fund and used for many purposes, from guaranteeing school loans to paying teachers’ salaries.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><strong>The Origins of State Trust Lands</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The practice of granting land to support public education was inherited from Europe, traceable as far back as the Roman Empire, ancient Greece, and even the kingdoms of Egypt. During the 1600s and 1700s, the American colonies established land endowments for a variety of institutions, ranging from colleges to public elementary schools. Many of these states also used the sale or lease of public lands as a funding source for public education. Although there were no federal land grants for public education in the original thirteen colonies, the colonial governments, and later the early state governments of Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia all made substantial land grants in support of public education. These early land grants established a variety of school funds that were financed from the sale or lease of public lands, reserved state lands in each township to support schools, or granted land to support specific educational institutions.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px">State trust lands date back to the first decades after the American Revolutionary War. T<strong>he General Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 established and systematized the policies that governed the disposal of the public domain to settlers and the creation of new states.</strong> Under the framework of these ordinances, a centrally located parcel in each surveyed township – section sixteen – would be reserved for the support of schools, and once the territory became a state, the state would receive title to these reserved parcels (as well as land grants to support other public institutions). This policy was later expanded to include additional reserved sections to support schools, as well as land grants to support other public institutions, such as universities, hospitals, schools for the deaf and blind, and correctional facilities, among others; however, K-12 public schools were by far the largest beneficiaries of the land grant programs.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The rectangular survey system established by the General Land Ordinance and the Northwest Ordinance divided the public domain into 36-square mile areas of land, called “townships.” Each township was further divided into 36 “sections” of one-square mile each.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px"><img src="http://www.statetrustlands.org/images/STL-Section-Map.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px">This system, strongly informed by the governance of the original colonies and the revolutionary sentiments related to public education, enlightenment-era rationalism, and the concept of an agrarian democracy, envisioned the township as the most basic unit of government. With populations oriented around small, agrarian communities, these townships would provide for the democratic education of their citizens. Section 16 occurs in the center of each township. In the words of the U.S. Supreme Court, by reserving a centrally located section within each township, Congress could consecrate the same central section of every township of every State which might be added to the federal system, to the promotion 'of good government and the happiness of mankind,' by the spread of 'religion, morality, and knowledge,' and thus, by a uniformity of local association, to plant in the heart of every community the same sentiments of grateful reverence for the wisdom, forecast, and magnanimous statesmanship of those who framed the institutions for these new States, before the constitution for the old had yet been modeled.1</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"><span style="font-size: 15px">The state land grant program established in the General Land Ordinance and Northwest Ordinance descended from a common belief held by many of the country’s early leaders: that liberty was founded on education, and as a result, the provision of universal public education was an essential requirement to ensure a democratic future for the expanding nation.<strong> Although the early federal government had little money available to support the public needs of the newly organizing states, the federal government had one resource in abundance – land. By granting some of these lands to newly organized states, the federal government could provide new state governments (who lacked any substantial tax base) with a source of revenue that could be used to fund public education and other important public institutions.</strong></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'PerpetuaTitlingMT'"></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: silver"><span style="font-size: 9px">- - - Updated - - -</span></span></p><p></p><p>it is all here along with the bullshit. <a href="http://www.fishingbuddy.com/stealing-your-public-land-randy-newberg" target="_blank">http://www.fishingbuddy.com/stealing-your-public-land-randy-newberg</a></p><p></p><p>This is kinda what it would be nice to avoid this time.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gst, post: 152989, member: 373"] There is a thread over on FBO when the Randy Newburg thread was going on where I shared extensive information and the links to it explaining the history of Federal lands in the US. plainsman could weigh in if he remembers the thread name. It was pretty though and complete spelling out the intent of these lands from the start were for the state to sell or manage them to fund various . I believe the word in the document was "dispose of" . As to your question about lands east of the miz. NDSU is a land grant college. [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morrill_Land-Grant_Acts[/URL] [URL]https://www.nap.edu/read/4980/chapter/2[/URL] [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] Then the states should be able to refuse the transfer. It seems from your article that there exists an existing budget shortfall which is caused by the Feds mismanagemntof these federal lads. For some reason Wyonming gets a bigger cut than other states so if the Feds mismangage the leasing there is a bigger shortfall. [B]"[COLOR=#444444][FONT='inherit']On the other side are critics of the federal government’s bureaucracy. They note that it can take over a decade to permit grazing, mining, drilling and wind projects. Wyoming’s cut of that development is about $1 billion a year, money that funds schools and state agencies.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#231F20][FONT='inherit'][COLOR=#444444]This session, lawmakers must figure out how to close a $400 million shortfall in the state’s two-year budget. Lawmakers are also facing a deficit of over $1 billion in school funding in coming years that they will also attempt to tackle during the 2017 session, which continues through early March.[/COLOR] [/FONT][/COLOR] Wyoming relies heavily on coal revenues.....the last years years there has been a war on coal ,,,,,,they can not afford much of anything. [url]http://bollier.org/interior-departments-oil-lease-scandal-and-its-lessons-commons[/url] [url]http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/joe-setyon/leases-oil-gas-federal-lands-down-17-under-obama[/url] The system is broken. [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] Uncle Jimbo............ [COLOR=#000000][FONT=PerpetuaTitlingMT][B][URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/"][IMG]http://www.statetrustlands.org/images/stl-logo.png[/IMG] State Trust Lands [/URL][/B] [LIST] [*][URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/about-state-trust-lands/historical-context.html#main"]Skip to content[/URL] [*][URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/about-state-trust-lands/historical-context.html#nav"]Jump to main navigation and login[/URL] [*][URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/about-state-trust-lands/historical-context.html#additional"]Jump to additional information[/URL] [/LIST] [B]Nav view search[/B] [B]Navigation[/B] [LIST] [*][URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/current-issues.html"]Current Issues[/URL] [*][URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/about-state-trust-lands.html"]About State Trust Lands[/URL] [*][URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/state-by-state.html"]State by State[/URL] [*][URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/resources.html"]Resources[/URL] [*][URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/about-us.html"]About Us[/URL] [/LIST] [B]Search[/B] [URL="http://www.statetrustlands.org/about-us/contact-us.html"]Contact Us(link is external)[/URL] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#000000][FONT=PerpetuaTitlingMT] [IMG]http://www.statetrustlands.org/images/heros/L1-Banner_019.jpg[/IMG] [SIZE=4][B]Historical Context[/B] Congress granted state trust lands to newly organized states entering the Union. These lands were meant to be managed to support essential public institutions. While many state trust lands have passed into private ownership, the remaining 46 million acres, concentrated in the western U.S., represent a significant part of the landscape. Unlike other public lands, most state trust lands are held in trust for designated beneficiaries, principally public schools. State trust managers lease and sell these lands for a diverse range of uses to meet their fiduciary responsibility – generating revenue for the designated beneficiaries, today and for future generations. Proceeds are distributed into a state’s permanent fund and used for many purposes, from guaranteeing school loans to paying teachers’ salaries. [B]The Origins of State Trust Lands[/B] The practice of granting land to support public education was inherited from Europe, traceable as far back as the Roman Empire, ancient Greece, and even the kingdoms of Egypt. During the 1600s and 1700s, the American colonies established land endowments for a variety of institutions, ranging from colleges to public elementary schools. Many of these states also used the sale or lease of public lands as a funding source for public education. Although there were no federal land grants for public education in the original thirteen colonies, the colonial governments, and later the early state governments of Connecticut, Massachusetts, New York, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, and Georgia all made substantial land grants in support of public education. These early land grants established a variety of school funds that were financed from the sale or lease of public lands, reserved state lands in each township to support schools, or granted land to support specific educational institutions. State trust lands date back to the first decades after the American Revolutionary War. T[B]he General Land Ordinance of 1785 and the Northwest Ordinance of 1787 established and systematized the policies that governed the disposal of the public domain to settlers and the creation of new states.[/B] Under the framework of these ordinances, a centrally located parcel in each surveyed township – section sixteen – would be reserved for the support of schools, and once the territory became a state, the state would receive title to these reserved parcels (as well as land grants to support other public institutions). This policy was later expanded to include additional reserved sections to support schools, as well as land grants to support other public institutions, such as universities, hospitals, schools for the deaf and blind, and correctional facilities, among others; however, K-12 public schools were by far the largest beneficiaries of the land grant programs. The rectangular survey system established by the General Land Ordinance and the Northwest Ordinance divided the public domain into 36-square mile areas of land, called “townships.” Each township was further divided into 36 “sections” of one-square mile each. [IMG]http://www.statetrustlands.org/images/STL-Section-Map.jpg[/IMG] This system, strongly informed by the governance of the original colonies and the revolutionary sentiments related to public education, enlightenment-era rationalism, and the concept of an agrarian democracy, envisioned the township as the most basic unit of government. With populations oriented around small, agrarian communities, these townships would provide for the democratic education of their citizens. Section 16 occurs in the center of each township. In the words of the U.S. Supreme Court, by reserving a centrally located section within each township, Congress could consecrate the same central section of every township of every State which might be added to the federal system, to the promotion 'of good government and the happiness of mankind,' by the spread of 'religion, morality, and knowledge,' and thus, by a uniformity of local association, to plant in the heart of every community the same sentiments of grateful reverence for the wisdom, forecast, and magnanimous statesmanship of those who framed the institutions for these new States, before the constitution for the old had yet been modeled.1 The state land grant program established in the General Land Ordinance and Northwest Ordinance descended from a common belief held by many of the country’s early leaders: that liberty was founded on education, and as a result, the provision of universal public education was an essential requirement to ensure a democratic future for the expanding nation.[B] Although the early federal government had little money available to support the public needs of the newly organizing states, the federal government had one resource in abundance – land. By granting some of these lands to newly organized states, the federal government could provide new state governments (who lacked any substantial tax base) with a source of revenue that could be used to fund public education and other important public institutions.[/B][/SIZE] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=silver][SIZE=1]- - - Updated - - -[/SIZE][/COLOR] it is all here along with the bullshit. [url]http://www.fishingbuddy.com/stealing-your-public-land-randy-newberg[/url] This is kinda what it would be nice to avoid this time. [/QUOTE]
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