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Message: <blockquote data-quote="PrairieGhost" data-source="post: 387364" data-attributes="member: 704">If you fellows want quiet buy some Hogdon Trail Boss.  308, 6.5 Creed, whatever.  Fill the case to the shoulder, dump and weigh it, then multiply by .75 as your starting point.  I shoot 180 gr out of my 308 with 10.3 gr Trail Boss and velocity is 1030 fps.  At sea level 1116 fps is the sound barrier, but even at 1030 you will get a crack from the bullet at 7000 ft elevation.  1030fps is good for anywhere in North Dakota.The toughest subsonic I have searched for is the 10mm.  Not to hard with a 200 gr, but my cast are 175.</blockquote>

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